Kse 1822 Report post Posted November 7, 2019 Dear players! Below there are editions to a Class change service as we see they should be after Zaken update. But before applying it, we would like you to read it and, in case you have any comments or another ideas, share it with us. We will read it and might take them into consideration. Please, keep it on topic. All offtopic will be deleted. Groups: First group classes: Overlord Prophet Warcryer Bishop Elven Elder Shillien Elder Second group classes: Warsmith Bounty Hunter Paladin Temple Knight Swordsinger Shillien Knight Bladedancer Treasure Hunter Plainswalker Silver Ranger Abyss Walker Gladiator Warlord Spellsinger Sorcerer Third group classes: Destroyer Tyrant Warlock Phantom Summoner Phantom Ranger Spellhowler Necromancer Balance Group (intended to keep some classes from being overcrowded when its a class with strong pvp/oly impact. will suffer adjustments long the road according to how the conditions in game proceed.) - can change to anything not on group 1 but no one can change to it. Dark Avenger Elemental Summoner Level: AFTER THIRD CLASS - If your character is level 79 and higher - it's level will be dropped to level 78 and 100% - If your character is under level 79, experience won't be changed - New class will come with 3rd Class quest complete. Example 1 - You are a Spectral Dancer 79 and you want to change to Soultaker. After Class change you will get Soultaker level 78 100% Example 2 - You are a Spectral Dancer 77 15%, and you want to change to Soultaker. After Class change you will get Soultaker level 77 15% Skills: - Books for 3rd class skills are not being restored - Divine inspirations are restored Penalties: If char was on oly, it can't change class during that cycle Best regards, Classic Team Share this post Link to post
MoDoy 1769 Report post Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Kse said: Level: AFTER THIRD CLASS - If your character is level 79 and higher - it's level will be dropped to level 77 and 100% - If your character is under level 79, experience won't be changed i guess this is mistake and you wanted to write 78 and 100%? or you really expect people who are over 79 to take effort, delevel to 78 lvl and 99% and then make class change because they will earn whole level (its under 79 lvl, so xp is not touched) instead of dropping to 77 100%? 1 hour ago, Kse said: First group classes: Overlord Prophet Warcryer Bishop Elven Elder Shillien Elder maybe i would put there also SWS and BD, so generally you can switch between support classes, now when biggest source of XP are bosses and not AoE xp, BD/SWS doesnt really have that huge advantage of being able to make trains over other support Share this post Link to post
RoolBack 150 Report post Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Kse said: Second group classes: Warsmith Bounty Hunter Only from it? maybe you forgot to mention that or not? Share this post Link to post
Nelax 16 Report post Posted November 8, 2019 @Kse so i can transfer es 79 for bd 79? Share this post Link to post
Starikan 8 Report post Posted November 8, 2019 Level up ES 79 @ Reroll to SWS 79 Sounds legit. Share this post Link to post
SemenArsonist 568 Report post Posted November 8, 2019 53 minutes ago, Starikan said: Level up ES 79 @ Reroll to SWS 79 Sounds legit. this. Swordsinger should be bumped up to 1st division due to how gamebreaking its level 80 skill is. Everything else looks fine I guess 1 Share this post Link to post
pako 33 Report post Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) Shouldnt less used classes like paladin, TK, sorc, warlord, glad be in third group so everyone can change to it? Maybe it would help to balance the classes. Right now if u make dd like tyrant u are stuck with it basically. My suggestion is: First group classes: Overlord Prophet Warcryer Bishop Elven Elder Shillien Elder Swordsinger Bladedancer Second group classes: Warsmith (only to change from it) Bounty Hunter (only to change from it) Elemental summoner (only to change from it) Dark Avenger (only to change from it) Paladin Temple Knight Shillien Knight Treasure Hunter Plainswalker Silver Ranger Abyss Walker Gladiator Warlord Spellsinger Sorcerer Destroyer Tyrant Warlock Phantom Summoner Phantom Ranger Spellhowler Necromancer My reasoning is: we have to many DAs and ES, so they are only to change from in second group (they can change to everything besides supports) less used class are in one group with popular choices, so there are chances for classes to balance a little (no one exps TK to later change it to tyrant so why should it be separate group?) right now it is same effort to exp DDs, tanks, daggers etc. Everyone goes to RB so it seems fair that all those classes are in the same group only 2 clear groups, without "balance" group stuff. Edited November 8, 2019 by pako Share this post Link to post
San0 2408 Report post Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, pako said: less used class are in one group with popular choices, so there are chances for classes to balance a little (no one exps TK to later change it to tyrant so why should it be separate group?) the seperated group is exactly to prevent the oposite, people levling fast farming classes such as tyrant and then changing it to tk/pala and other slow lvling classes Share this post Link to post
San0 2408 Report post Posted November 8, 2019 29 minutes ago, Queni said: When will the rules change? this topic is still to decide what the new rules will be, after that we will see when they gonna be changed. Share this post Link to post
San0 2408 Report post Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, SemenArsonist said: this. Swordsinger should be bumped up to 1st division due to how gamebreaking its level 80 skill is. Everything else looks fine I guess this was my first thought also, but then at same time you can faster exp bd/sws then for example EE or bishop. my first idea was to have only 2 groups like suport and then rest with the "only to change from" limitations, i just thought everyone would go bananas over it Share this post Link to post
San0 2408 Report post Posted November 8, 2019 Groups: First group classes: Overlord Prophet Warcryer Bishop Elven Elder Shillien Elder Swordsinger Bladedancer Second group classes: Dark Avenger (only to change from it) Elemental Summoner (only to change from it) Warsmith (only to change from it) Bounty Hunter (only to change from it) Paladin Temple Knight Shillien Knight Hawkeye Treasure Hunter Plainswalker Silver Ranger Abyss Walker Gladiator Warlord Spellsinger Sorcerer Destroyer Tyrant Warlock Phantom Summoner Phantom Ranger Spellhowler Necromancer Level: AFTER THIRD CLASS - If your character is level 79 and higher - it's level will be dropped to level 78 and 100% - If your character is under level 79, experience won't be changed - New class will come with 3rd Class quest complete. Example 1 - You are a Spectral Dancer 79 and you want to change to Soultaker. After Class change you will get Soultaker level 78 100% Example 2 - You are a Spectral Dancer 77 15%, and you want to change to Soultaker. After Class change you will get Soultaker level 77 15% Skills: - Books for 3rd class skills are not being restored - Divine inspirations are restored Penalties: If char was on oly, it can't change class during that cycle THIS BETTER? 10 1 1 Share this post Link to post
pako 33 Report post Posted November 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, San0 said: the seperated group is exactly to prevent the oposite, people levling fast farming classes such as tyrant and then changing it to tk/pala and other slow lvling classes In my opinion it is not a valid point. Right now it is not really easier to exp tyrant than tank. Both of those classes you will find in the same RB parties, and to be honest it might even be easier with Pala/TK because tanks are harder to find and dont require uber weapon to exp. Also exping is not such a problem anymore as it was 2 years ago, you can reach 76 in couple of months, and top CPs can exp chars in few weeks top. 6 minutes ago, San0 said: THIS BETTER? Better. Share this post Link to post
Reddish 258 Report post Posted November 8, 2019 14 minutes ago, San0 said: THIS BETTER? I see only 2 groups, is mistake or ment to be? Share this post Link to post
Yomana 437 Report post Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) You can never have 100% balance in this , also from my experience the moment you reach 55 lvl right now , you can just perma join rb parties (in CC or out of CC) and lvl up to 76. People dont hide rbs and kill them with 1 party anymore. Xp is easier than ever before. Doesnt matter if you are melee, sps , dagger , tank , you will find party for these rbs. I think these 2 groups San0 posted are very viable. Edited November 8, 2019 by Yomana Share this post Link to post
San0 2408 Report post Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Reddish said: I see only 2 groups, is mistake or ment to be? meant to as suggested before. Share this post Link to post
MoDoy 1769 Report post Posted November 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Yomana said: You can never have 100% balance in this , also from my experience the moment you reach 55 lvl right now , you can just perma join rb parties (in CC or out of CC) and lvl up to 76. People dont hide rbs and kill them with 1 party anymore. Xp is easier than ever before. Doesnt matter if you are melee, sps , dagger , tank , you will find party for these rbs. I think these 2 groups San0 posted are very viable. this, new update showed that 3rd group is not necessary anymore pretty much, because the main point of it was kinda top CPs abusing orfen 3 powerleveling with fatal / boosting through bosses with fully stacked tyrants/destros on bosses nowadays powerleveling with orfen is not worth that much anymore for top CPs as powerleveling in GC is much much better and for randoms, it doesnt really matter if you are CDL class or tyrant, you lvl up with bosses as long as there is this restriction which wont screw up whole olympiad by everyone rerolling to DA/ES (one would argue that necro should be there as well, but dunno, for necromancer you kinda need epics to be stronk, unlike other 2 classes for which you need 0 equip and you can win 95% of people) Share this post Link to post
bbru 8 Report post Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) I for three groups, as in the first post. Or for disabling this service. necr\titan\tyrant reproff for dagger no need me. Edited November 8, 2019 by bbru Share this post Link to post
freakout 17 Report post Posted November 8, 2019 2 hours ago, San0 said: Groups: First group classes: Overlord Prophet Warcryer Bishop Elven Elder Shillien Elder Swordsinger Bladedancer Second group classes: Dark Avenger (only to change from it) Elemental Summoner (only to change from it) Warsmith (only to change from it) Bounty Hunter (only to change from it) Paladin Temple Knight Shillien Knight Treasure Hunter Plainswalker Silver Ranger Abyss Walker Gladiator Warlord Spellsinger Sorcerer Destroyer Tyrant Warlock Phantom Summoner Phantom Ranger Spellhowler Necromancer Level: AFTER THIRD CLASS - If your character is level 79 and higher - it's level will be dropped to level 78 and 100% - If your character is under level 79, experience won't be changed - New class will come with 3rd Class quest complete. Example 1 - You are a Spectral Dancer 79 and you want to change to Soultaker. After Class change you will get Soultaker level 78 100% Example 2 - You are a Spectral Dancer 77 15%, and you want to change to Soultaker. After Class change you will get Soultaker level 77 15% Skills: - Books for 3rd class skills are not being restored - Divine inspirations are restored Penalties: If char was on oly, it can't change class during that cycle THIS BETTER? Sonds better... But i would suggest a 3rd group with dds like necro/sps/sorc/sh/tyr/destro Share this post Link to post
Rizos 1487 Report post Posted November 8, 2019 so in the end my suggestion bout 2 groups has high chance to go live. Guci ? 1 Share this post Link to post
RoolBack 150 Report post Posted November 8, 2019 3 hours ago, San0 said: Groups: First group classes: Overlord Prophet Warcryer Bishop Elven Elder Shillien Elder Swordsinger Bladedancer Second group classes: Dark Avenger (only to change from it) Elemental Summoner (only to change from it) Warsmith (only to change from it) Bounty Hunter (only to change from it) Paladin Temple Knight Shillien Knight Treasure Hunter Plainswalker Silver Ranger Abyss Walker Gladiator Warlord Spellsinger Sorcerer Destroyer Tyrant Warlock Phantom Summoner Phantom Ranger Spellhowler Necromancer Level: AFTER THIRD CLASS - If your character is level 79 and higher - it's level will be dropped to level 78 and 100% - If your character is under level 79, experience won't be changed - New class will come with 3rd Class quest complete. Example 1 - You are a Spectral Dancer 79 and you want to change to Soultaker. After Class change you will get Soultaker level 78 100% Example 2 - You are a Spectral Dancer 77 15%, and you want to change to Soultaker. After Class change you will get Soultaker level 77 15% Skills: - Books for 3rd class skills are not being restored - Divine inspirations are restored Penalties: If char was on oly, it can't change class during that cycle THIS BETTER? Perfect ? Share this post Link to post
Donkihot 114 Report post Posted November 8, 2019 3 hours ago, San0 said: THIS BETTER? perfect Share this post Link to post
YipMan 319 Report post Posted November 8, 2019 Im for 3 groups just becouse others want 2....... 4 Share this post Link to post
SemenArsonist 568 Report post Posted November 8, 2019 6 hours ago, San0 said: Groups: First group classes: Overlord Prophet Warcryer Bishop Elven Elder Shillien Elder Swordsinger Bladedancer Second group classes: Dark Avenger (only to change from it) Elemental Summoner (only to change from it) Warsmith (only to change from it) Bounty Hunter (only to change from it) Paladin Temple Knight Shillien Knight Treasure Hunter Plainswalker Silver Ranger Abyss Walker Gladiator Warlord Spellsinger Sorcerer Destroyer Tyrant Warlock Phantom Summoner Phantom Ranger Spellhowler Necromancer Level: AFTER THIRD CLASS - If your character is level 79 and higher - it's level will be dropped to level 78 and 100% - If your character is under level 79, experience won't be changed - New class will come with 3rd Class quest complete. Example 1 - You are a Spectral Dancer 79 and you want to change to Soultaker. After Class change you will get Soultaker level 78 100% Example 2 - You are a Spectral Dancer 77 15%, and you want to change to Soultaker. After Class change you will get Soultaker level 77 15% Skills: - Books for 3rd class skills are not being restored - Divine inspirations are restored Penalties: If char was on oly, it can't change class during that cycle THIS BETTER? this is much better 3 hours ago, Rizos said: so in the end my suggestion bout 2 groups has high chance to go live. Guci ? nvm it sucks, let's go back to 3 groups Share this post Link to post
PaLaZ 4 Report post Posted November 8, 2019 So if farm like a turtle with a Paladin, i can switch my PR to a Paladin Nice retails norms ?? Share this post Link to post
