I am not sure what you are talking about. Clan existed and had members before server launched. Everything was going fine in the beginning we got clan to LVL 3 not Haplo, we did as members. Also not sure what you mean by botting, I mean 90% server is botting so there is high chance we had bots in our clan too but I would not know since I did not join TS since most of them spoke non English and there was no point for me to stay in TS. going fine? lol, I don't think so He asked for 5k adena on the first day of the server to raise the clan level, so I gave him the money, than I heard on TS that he is asking for more money. I couldn't give more since that 5k was I all I had at that time, so he started inviting the people who gave him more adena, and pretty much forgot about the rest of us. Anyway, I'm glad I didn't join the clan.