Top leaders got burned not once by the " we are neutral " kind of approach. If you think you will compete for 60+ spots w/o an Alliance, you are wrong. If you believe that dropping some items hurts us, you are wrong again. All sides will harass you until you submit because there is no more trust in this " we get to 70 and join you". Wrong... i'm almost 70 leveling only in only AB and guess who is the only side that comes and PK the whole party just cuz one of the players is war tag? wickedsick alliance... the other ones actually communicate and say " *player name* is war tag, don't party with them"... there are something in this game that is called "politics and player relations". if u want loyal clan members u wont make it by "harassing them and pking them ". sure u can get ppl to join ur clan / ally by just bullying them, but guest what? once they get to a comfortable level they will leave ur clan / ally hanging dry and join ur enemies. Unless most players in this game are masochists and prefer to be oppressed by a few higher levels. and don't be so butthurt... the dude pked a whole party of ppl without tags / wars with him and decided to be a bad ass.. he paid the price.. be it a SOE or a lvl 3 epic jewel. as for the last sentence of your post, i've have joined a clan that did not harass me with " "join us or u wont level" crap.... GG