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The idea is that someone cried and you`re adding a feature that is normally not available in the game - the pay2win is regarding the CoL, adena traders ingame and etc. If you open the trade section you`ll see offers for from 20 to 80kk and that is a 2 months old (or 3) server with x3 rates and absurdly low adena drop amount. The decision that ppl/new user will come to is that if you pay you`ll have everything and you`ll win. After the 1st siege or a bigger world boss when 1 party of ppl with glowing weapons shows up it`ll ruin it for everyone. The way for people to make more adena by paying affects the balance simply because if someone that does not donate will have to do it hadcore as you want the server to be - no shots, lots of rest, slow leveling, no money for gear. Then again if he donates he`ll have money for shots, will level up faster, will have money for items and in general. This will be an unfair advantage, actually this is an unfair advantage. If something could be done it should`ve been postponing the donation system for a month or two or making CoL untradable for the first 3 months or so. Still you can`t do anything about that now. You can however take your time and implement the class change in the best way possible. And for me there is only 1 way that i explained earlier. I`ll do it again if needed.

On EU it was 500a - still that`s not the point of the thread. The class change is the thing we`re commenting on here. I`d be happy if you share your thoughts on the matter - limiting class change between groups and making the groups stricter.

​pk scrolls are nor for donation only, they can be bought on dark judge as it is on official. Okay we can scratch that still 9k and 500a is quite a difference for the adena drop we have here but that`s also a strategy to make ppl donate and use the in-game gold sellers . As I said earlier - I do not care much about that If you make PK`s you should be ready for the consequences or pay. TBH i prefer to get the 1.5 update b4 bringing anything like this that was obviously not t​hought of so well.​

The reasons for implementing this are stupid. Not knowing about the game is not an excuse to cry for everything - you want to be as close to official as possible then again you make some changes that are clearly for proft - the PK scroll is sold for 500adena in towns. Here it`s donation only - i don`t care that does not have such a big impact on the game and will make kids think twice b4 goin on a killing spree. Then again if you farm properly you won`t really care if you loose a set part or a weapon after a certain point. I`m still vouching for the idea we`ll level a char to lvl 40 with both proffesions learned for X (said amount of CoL). It looks like it`ll stay like this so if it stays at least limit it to one class change per character. Checked the topic it`s still stupid this way - limit the change to the group you`re in at the moment - for example a buffer will stay a buffer, bd/sws should be able to change to bd/sws summoners shoul be able to change to other summoners , archers should either be able to change to their respective race dagger class or to other archer classes. Tanks should be able to switch to other tanks, tyrant/destro to other melees and etc. Your groups are not solving the problem by allowing change between groups - again better add - level a char to 40 with 2nd profession for X CoL. The excuse that someone does not want to play a summoner because they don`t have shots here is ... why the hell did you start that char? I`m wondering why are there summoners on the 1.0 since the day I started and now they`re crying? Come on, grow up and make your decisions more carefully , browsing the trade forum it`s scary enough with the ridiculously low adena amount - people are selling +5,6,7 weapons for 20-80kk - that only shows that there is donation that affects the gameplay and no one wants that. You need to decide if you want to be really as close to retail as possible or you`ll just turn this into a pay2win(play) server. Guess what will happen at/after the first sieges or boss fights ?

Okay can someone post a link to the update where it`s explained what you can and can not do? Changing class from Spoiler to Warsmith for euros is okay by me or from Dagger to Archer the quests are pretty much the same. Still daggers use more shots but meh. And the idea is that generally you might`ve been wondering between the two but by 40 you chose 1. Not leveling a fighter and then - wham you`re a MAGE. That`s stupid - better put a level a char to 40 with quests for donation imo. You can put gender change male female but class change ... the group thing that was mentioned makes sense. Still i want to see the update first i`m guessing atm.

Is the mithril set D for sale - price ? also Karmian(set) price ? Is the santa costume tradable/sellable ? There are other interesting things but I won`t have the adena needed so :D

Hmm want to change my vote from 1.3 then 1.5 to go to 1.5 including 1.3

Well you don`t rely on RNGjesus so much but still there is a discrepancy in exp and adena - normally it`s like that on most servers but the big mistake most ppl make is thinking that it will not be a problem for the server population - i don`t want a x10 adena drop but normally you should be able to gear yourself with a single character and at the moment you can not do that. For example on most servers (low rate ones) the raids between 20 and 40 are a must - something that is rarely done on higher rates - atm you can not do that here because you do not have a tank before 30ish - y u can run around and hope not to loose the agro or waste your UD but your mages will be out of mana by the 3rd guards respawn. No grade and D grade are achievable the problem is when and at what cost - do you have money for quests for 2nd prof then? Ofc you`ll run around but still you do need a certain amount of money - after that 45+ you need to start getting your C grade equipment. You can buy some you should craft some but you won`t have the mats or the money to do so. On any server by the time you`re ready for C grade 45+ you should be able to play with shots because you should be making enough money to use them, and spare some for equipment, mats, craft, buffs etc. The "this is hardcore you do not use shots bullshit is true but valid up to a certain point - i`m a 25 lvl DE fighter and i have 120k ~150 if i sell some stuff i won`t need anyway. If i try to go up with this char only it won`t be possible. Okay it will be possible but it will be inefficient and a total waste of time. I still have some memories of C1, C2, C3 and i rarely played a server that was above x4 even this was considered high so even if i take the changes they made(quests, drop, spoil, adena amount drop) into account it still can not work out as it should. I still do not see an explanation what happened yesterday - no page, no server, no update on the matter either. I doubt that this will change but if the 1.5 update will help - then please do implement it asap.

Hello As far as i can understand the server rates are exp x3, spoil x2, adena x1. At the moment the x1 adena and x3 experience rate is a big problem. Probably if it was x2 XP and x1 adena or x3 exp and x2 adena it should be okay. If i remember correctly adena x2 was actually something like x1.2-1.5 if you go into details. The problem right now is that we`re leveling faster than we cna make adena. It is not normal for any chronicle of L2 to demand from a player to make a spoiler or 2nd, 3rd character just so he can farm and gear himself normally. Atm you can not do anything without a spoiler. And that`s wrong. Yes we should take our time and it should be hard for us to obtain D grade and advance from there but it should be possible with a single character - right now it is not(if the said char is not a spoiler). Due to the fact that the adena amout was changed, some quests were changed and again that we`re leveling faster than we should at x1 and the adena is around that rate(or lower:D). In the updates voting topic i saw that the admins want to keep the server hardcore and might not implement some of the official updates that are disliked by the community( that`s great) but imbalanced does not equal hardcore. Honestly speaking if it just looks like this was made just so donations can flow in. Both for dualbox and for the auction​. I don`t believe in that but that is how it looks like from the outside. If the topic has been discussed please excuse me and provide me with a link.

btw you can lock and delete the topic or leave it as you choose.

Haven`t read the patchnotes but imo we`re 1.0 - go to 1.3 then to 1.5 then 2.0. If for example you`re ready with 1.5 at the same time you implement 1.3 - okay let ppl see the new patch if it might turn out bad for the server add the 1.5 (like ppl hating 1.3 and wanting 1.5 asap) then add 2.0. Imo if you won`t add somethign i`m not sure if it`ll be the best opinion to just change it - casthe thingies were crazy ... y we can keep Aden castle off for now - introduce 1.3 to us then give us 1.5 etc. Don`t make us wait too long either.

Thank you it`s more organized than goha.ru - can`t find a drop calc there or there is none for the classic version yet? Russian sources are okay might miss a word or two but will get the important stuff easily

​Might be true, that`s why I asked for a reliable source, but still most of the pages I checked were leading to the rewards shown. Was not looking at goha.ru checked it now and y most of the rewards are as in-game. Any other page you can recommend for checking quests/ drops ? Excluding the Korean wiki is there an updated drop calculator? Found one but it only showed what it should drop as a list - for example, it should drop Adena but no range was shown. Other than that It looks okay.

Hello, I joined yesterday and decided to play as a bladedancer - started a dark elf and decided to do some quests that i normally skip - because i get enough money from farming mobs. The quest will not be in order by level. Shillens hunt - kill keltirs - reward 5 pots and 1k exp - that was okay if quest rewards are x2(items) it should be 10 but i guess that`s x1) Deliver supplies - deliver 3 blades between guar ds 820a- it was okay but the adena was less if it`s x2 it should`ve been 820x2 and it was not Orc subjication - amulet 20a, necklase 30a - i got 10 per item regardless of what it was Trade with the Ivory Tower- reward 3k i got 300 or 500 don`t remember exactly Bones tell the future - got less that i had to and def not x2 Scent of Death - did get the hp potion but did not take 2k adena Dwarven Kinship - one of the biggest dissapointments yesterday - it`s supposed to give me 20k adena for going from DE to Gludio to Gludin - y it`s just talking and runing or porting but if it`s normal the reward here should be 40k i got 6k. Will the seal be broken - EAD - did not get it. Offspring of nightmares - 17150a and bone gaiters - got some adena but it was <1k and no bone gatiers Dangerous Seduction - the infamous 100k DE quest - i got armor as a reward ... come on that`s the single most important and profitable quest for a DE and i get a mediocre No Grade armor at lvl 21 - i can`t kill the mobs if there are no other ppl there. Forgotten Truth - i should get an eldricht dagger - that should cost 12 750 in the shop or something like that - however the quest has been thinkered with and i got a novice dagger that`s worth 1,147 adena - that`s selling price. Spirit of the Craftsman - should get a Bloodsaber - got a novice bloodsaber -works eitherway as it should not be sellable if i`m not mistaken, same with light elves and etc.` Still the quests above are not cool i did not find anything in the forums regarding these specific quests so i`d like an update from someone that knows if possible. At the same time a friend did the Dwarven Kinship quest and got 40k - i was like - How is that possible am i cursed ? Anw the problem i have is that by doing this the dark elf quests are meaningless - the idea is that because of the lore you`re pretty much restricted to the DE area and that`s the only way to get some extra income. I`m guessing that the admins wanted to avoid people making 10 dark elves just to finish the 100k quest and make money but not a lot of ppl do that tbh and it`s allowed on retail - why not here ? At the same time all other races are pretty much okay with their quests. The biggest letdown was the Dangerous Seduction quest - it`s a one time quest it should give 100k as it is verry important to a character, if it was repeatable - y you can have the chance of mid NG armor or 100k like paagrio`s hearth amulet. But come on you have 102k on one hand and useless no grade top piece on the other... it should at least be equivalent. Also the EAD was not there as a reward. I know there are bugs, i know this is Classic not clean C1, C2 or whatever else but there is more than enough info online. Also how much should the adena drop be ? If it`s x1 it`s still not right - we were fighting ol mahums and they should drop anywhere between 120 to ~300a (min/max) per mob, we were a party of 2 - the minimum amount we got was 30a per mob per person - that makes 60a per mob and the max was 53/54 or something like that which makes 108 per mob - it`s nowhere near the actual stuff. If there is a specific drop calculator for this server setup, please let me know - still with 3x exp rate (that feels like1,5x but that`s not so important) x2 spoil and <x1 adena amount drop .. it`s strange. So please help.