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Nope, ncsoft hates melee classes.

The best way to make money in this game without leaving town is buying shit, and reselling said shit, for a higher price. I wouldn't waste my time with crystals honestly.

​Holy sh1t lol, and I thought the NA official cash shop was terrible, why would anyone play on a server like that? It's like the video game embodiment of AIDS. ​Sir, how dare you talk down upon an official Lineage II classic server. I'll have you know that NCSOFTTM is the reincarnate of Jesus Christ, and we need to follow their example of what 'Quality Lineage II Gameplay' is all about. If we don't, then we are doomed to be another 'jajajaja' server, and Beaver's twitch chat will insult us in the name of Kappa.

Use NCSOFT's pay 2 win shop by sliding your credit card across your monitor to solo LOA. But seriously, just go on the PTS and try out PR and see if you like it.

You might not like my answer, but its kind of the blunt truth. Other b grade weapon's price will go down overtime. Its just because SLS duals are the easiest to make right now, they're the cheapest. I mean people just started farming LOA like a month ago. You didn't have to farm LOA to make SLS duals besides the dual craft stamp. And by buying one on the market its a insane increase in price compared to retail classic. (~33k to buy it from a ch, 1.5kk to buy from a player on our server) I've had everything to make SLS duals but the dual craft stamp sitting in my warehouse for like 4 months. lol Just gotta wait it out dude. :/

People cry on the retail forums all the time. Gms didn't listen to them. Look what happened to that server. Dead af now. rofl.

​No, its just a controversial topic. I don't know why you think summoners are so good. From your post history, it seems like you're playing a EE, and have some vendetta against summoners. Go on the PTS and try killing some mobs playing a summoner class. Then ask yourself if you could do it solo for 500+ hours without going insane. I surely have. But, I am pretty sure your post is sarcastic. So whatever. Since @Kure mentioned they can just unsummon and resummon boxer / kat the cat everytime they run out of mana. I don't think its such a big deal anymore. All they really benefit from is empower 3. (Since acumen 2 / mana all can be bought via consumables.) I never said to nerf it in any of my posts. But dont get me wrong, it is insane. I do consider it a gimmick, and in no way how the class was supposed to be played, but I guess thats up to the gms to decide. I have to try pveing with seraphim/boxer in the new Seal of Shilean to determine its viability. It might just be these few couple of levels its really good, then falls off since its a level 35 nuke.

Ok, I just don't you guys to scream "op, gm pls nerf" when I class transfer to elemental summoner and exploit the crap out of this.

​Don't forget you can just spam mana recharge on your pet, and have the pony recharge you. Which makes it so you never run out of mana. Resulting in a ~50 mana net gain per recharge exchange with your pony. This interaction can happen every 6 seconds. Resulting in 500 free mana every minute. Every 20 minutes you get the 2 minute Seraphim pony buff which will more than cover the cost of switching summons / cubics every 15-20minutes.

There are 5 inaccurate assumptions in your post. 1) Yes. Level 2 unicorn of seraph. 2) We have a test server, search for the skill 'Summon Seraphim the Unicorn'. Take the one thats level 2. Not level 8, not level 10. LEVEL 2. 3) One elder tree in ev drops 4k adena. It costs 1 spirit ore to summon seraphim. 6 for boxer. 1 for casting clarity from seraphim. 8 x 500 = 4000adena (How is this not cheap, are you level 20 or something???) One mob for 20 minutes of buffs. Okay Ill take it. Thanks. 4) They were referring to level 2 PARTY BUFFS. Not Self buffs. 5) I'm always right.

Will be absolutely insane if the summon changes go through. (Please Read thoroughly) I'm only saying this because it is unfair warlocks and phantom summoners, (mostly phantom summoners, since they still wont be allowed in AOE groups). Unicorn Seraphim (AT LEVEL 58) gives you or a party member 20 minutes of: Empower 3 Acumen 3 Clarity Wild Magic (given at a higher level) With the clarity and recharge pet, you literally never run out of mana. You can nuke literally everything to death. I've pved for 20 mins on the PTS in EV @ level 58 and still could go for another 40 mins without taking a break. (+3 demon staff / + 8 wit / + 4 int) Feline Kitten and Nightshade give no where near the amount of power. Queen doesn't increase kill speed except for haste 2, and Nightshade buffs are negligible. Not only are you given the BEST/FASTEST solo exp in the game with not needing a buffer, but you are welcome to join almost any LOA party. You guys intended these summons to be party oriented, so I am curious if you overlooked this aspect. I don't know how it will work out in SoS, since I can't test anything in that zone yet, but its looking to be pretty broken. Do I still have that free class change coupon? lol

@Koll still not working ):

Will make restart on test, it will start working. ​Manton is checking problem. You can login. I am having the same problem again. It was working fine before the server came up. But now I cant learn skills or summon items.

​This actually make me curious. How exactly pet movment system changed? I dont know anything about it, enlighten me please. Thank you ​They attempt to run behind the target before they initiate an attack which makes them clunky as hell.

​Setzer I agree with you totally that the inclusion of SS // BSS for pets would result in a benefit to the Summoners classes and all the others that have a summon. But I analyze the effectiveness of inclusion, which I assume would be more effective with SS than with the new summons, targeting current class deficiencies, which are more positive than the news, remain unchanged. ​ ​The dark panther/mechanical golem actually has weaker stats than summoners. Resulting in clown fiestas like this: There is no reason why a necro would use it's summon to PVE [IT WOULD COST THEM A FORTUNE] when they can get into LOA AOE groups. And summons straight up are garbage in pvp due to the new pet movement system carried over from GOD. A feature that was only implemented because in GOD you can have like 4 servitors at once. It was most probably left in there due to laziness. NCSOFT korea based this whole clown fiesta classic idea based on their in game shop. Why do you guys think the EXP curve is so ridiculous. So you have to buy their stupid EXP boosts in order to play this game without wanting to kill yourself.

​"P2W shop" anyone on any server can buy ++weapons for cash if they want, calling moving this option to server auction to reduce 'black market' trades as 'P2W shop' is a bit of stretch. ​

@gms hey pls follow NCSOFT's Korea Lineage II.

They're just my predictions. I can't really tell because SOS isn't on the PTS yet. /: The reasoning to go -dex instead of -con, is because if you play with the dyes on the PTS, you can easily see that you only lose minimal stats. Aka 10 crit and 50 attack speed. Accuracy and evasion don't matter on classic. I went and pved for 20 minutes on the PTS with both dyes. It looks bad on paper, but in reality, its pretty decent. If the new solo hunting zones have AOE skills, you wont be able to go -16 con. In 2.0, they change DEX to make it more meaningful, you probably won't be able to go -dex when that update arrives. But that could take years.

+16 str -16 con build: ​With +12 str - 15 con / pl set, I have 39 str (same as a human fighter) but I have ~946 hp with power supremacy on @ lvl 57. And ~600 patk. Its very risky with this setup, because one soul shot crit from a mob, and you're at half hp. With -16 con. You can only carry 3k shots on you without going overweight. If you do this build, you either can go back to town and receive a blessing of light every hour and restock, or you need to have a dwarf and drop shots/potions on the ground. +16 str - 15 dex - 1 con: Viable build right now. Might not be good once you get a decent amount of focus buffs. No dyes: Zuk is running this build. I don't like it. You might as well exploit the fuck out of +12 dyes while you can. Sacrifice: By the time you use sacrifice on your summon, you're already dead. I would probably never use this skill. One healing pot will be just fine to get me back up to full hp. Focus/DW/Guidance Self Buff: With the focus/guidance/dw. I really dont think its going to benefit me that much. Its the same reason why I dont have a boxed PP with me. Summons have a static 44 crit. With focus lvl 3, itd go up to ~57. It doesnt change it at all tbh. My crit rate with dual swords goes to 72->94. +22 crit rate. [+25 with spirit sharing (+3% crit rate)] My crit rate with a dagger goes to 108->140. +32 crit rate. [+36 with spirit sharing (+3% crit rate)] Curse of shade: Stacks with phantom cubic Has an agro effect. Decreases pdef/mdef of target. It will be the reason why I use nightshade over shadow. Mass Curse of shade: Its decent. Depends if a party will let you in though. You will most probably have to pull mobs though, which can be very dangerous since you're in light armor / robes. Curse of shade on a level 58 ps vs level 58 wl. [All skills learned] Warlock's Pdef/Mdef with no buffs: 454 - 562 Warlock's Pdef with hex (effect 3): 359 Warlock's ​Pdef/Mdef with curse of shade (effect 1): 429 - 533 Warlock's Pdef with hex (effect 3) and curse of shade (effect 1): 340 Curse of shade on a level 74 ps vs level 74 wl. [All skills learned]Warlock's Pdef/Mdef with no buffs: 511 - 638Warlock's Pdef with hex (effect 3): 406Warlock's ​Pdef/Mdef with curse of shade (effect 3): 465 - 585Warlock's Pdef with hex (effect 3) and curse of shade (effect 3): 371 Curse of shade/Gloom level 23 on a level 74 ps vs level 74 wl. [All skills learned] Warlock Mdef with no buffs: 638 Warlock Mdef with gloom (-23% mdef): 516 Warlock Mdef with gloom and Curse of shade (effect 3): 475

​I have 9 people in const party and 6-8 hours of game time a day.... and we have allmost all boxes.... Let's server choce what to do.. I just want that admins follow Korea update, and do not build some java server.... ​What is your definition of a 'Java Server'? You do realize that NCSOFT korea is more of a 'Java Server' than l2classic club right? They literally have a pay 2 win shop. Anything you want in game. Just slide the credit card across your monitor and get any +16 weapon/armor you want. The admins would be incompetent if they were to follow them blindly. Along with that, Innova is dying swiftly due to the ridiculous changes they made to this game.

I voted for the wrong option. Whoops. Well you can say that about half the classes in the game then. Oh why have a wc/pp/ee/se/bd/sws if a cp is just gonna box it. Id 100% have beast shots over these summons anyway. Because I am biased and nightshade doesn't compare with the other two. Especially since my shadow's VR recieved the ncsoft's nerf of the year award. But honestly, summoner is in the shitter right now, and they need something. If there was no class changing option. I would say, "goodluck trying to level one of these fuckers, I hope you have a second monitor and you love to play hearthstone".

​why the hell did you want stigma so badly?

My god, I just realized. If they add party cubics, they might require a spellbook to learn it. Id have to find the phantom cubic again. OH GOD. NO. PLEASE NO. THIS WAS THEIR PLAN ALL ALONG!!!!!1111

My predictions: 1) Cat / Pony / Nightshade summon. Tier: CAT | PONY > Nightshade 2) Party cubics. Tier: PS hex cubic > ES aqua cubic > WL wind cubic. 3) Summon friend needing a summoning cubic. Would be nice for going deep in LOA. Would a PS get into a archer party in LOA with mass summon phantom cubic? Maybe? 20 spirit ore per 15mins isn't bad at all. Each mob would be pretty much automatically: 1) Hex'd 2) Power breaked 3) Windshackled They'd probably take a WL in every scenario though. If it was a solo buff I would just suggest giving the summon a passive hate value in order to keep agro from the summoner. I don't know if this can be done without changing the patk value though. If nightshade is added, I wont have this problem anymore, but I still don't think PS would be accepted in LOA parties. However, nightshades debuffs are pretty awful, as in, they fail on white mobs half the time.