Nightshade is very clunky and slow. I still get agro, even with its hate ability, and its debuff often never lands. I don't want to argue anymore though, I already issued a class change. pfff.... how??? PS still has nothing for party except mass summon phantom cubic . Have no idea what parties need it with all this AoE s*@t... Hes an outlier. I mean, look at that list. ramG is on it. Are abyss walkers good for pveing? Hell no. Theres a difference between non-viable and unplayable. Every class is playable, but not every class is viable. Also play time is a factor. Take a look for example Ancord with 449 pvps at level 69 with 49 days of playing while SupremaQ is only level 68 with nearly double his play time. And if Ancord's pvp list is legit, he must of died several times in pvp to obtain that record. Which means constant -10%-2% exp lost. Take that list with a grain of salt.