MoDoy

why not? actually i wouldnt even put restriction on it, just put 5e for first class quest and then 5e per mark on 2nd class quest (so its 15e for full 2nd class quest) those quests are cancer of l2, long, boring, not challenging and telling 0 story, making them on 4y server is kinda joke but thats discussion for other topic

yes, but what, those ppl dont get xp but they are standing there to protect, i said overall total xp would be bigger if all those ppl formed pts and went to farm than killing bosses, but thats much mpore troublesome and needs more effort, so ppl as lazy creatures tend to go easy way, not efficient way

if it is only about efficiency, then same goes for you if all those people from your side made proper parties and went to farm GC, overall xp would be higher, but thats much more troublesome (for both you and randoms), thats why bosses option wins over others ?

you really think any pt from that cc would stand a chance to make reasonable xp in gc? if they really took 15% of xp, then i wonder if its worth such trouble, but i guesd you know better

thats not DC robe

i would say the first days when the CC was hitting together with deviate, they took quite some chunk of xp (not to say when they killed boss without deviate), other way you wouldnt be that mad if it was irrelevant amount they are taking

80kk in 20 mins in 2 DD party out of CC on 70 lvl bosses, while whole random CC hitting them

not only he can say it, but he can do it as well, what you gonna do about it?

i know, thats why i said that it might look nice in theory to have 3-4-5 sides of 3-4 CPs each, but in practice that will never happen

1) more than 2 sides (in one prime) are impossible to keep on any server, its just illusion people wish for but cannot be ever achieved 2) sjeks cannot have fun playing everyday because he doesnt play everyday 3) any1 is free to start a side and compete with them, as you said, many people joining, try and organize them, but that seems like too much trouble

i do and they are dirty but that wasnt point of that hyperbola

this was discussed already :d thats my roommates table, you can see the edge

wait, doesnt this go for devs mostly? they just want to powerlevel chars on these bosses to get lvls with minimal effort, while when you look at GC during eu prime its cleaner than my plates

chill, i dont think randoms will stop doing those bosses, you cannot pk 100 ppl just like that (tho i might be wrong)

nono, you are allowed to pk them ofc, i want to see it, maybe its time to make cameras for SV

what about people do whatever they want to do?

wait, you took those already? @_@

i dont care about deviate/china alliance, but i want to see sjeks going rampage pk in devils island, just make sure you explain them properly that epics and weapons should be kept in WH before you start your journey

the moment you ban my account because i have golf ball put on F1 button or i use coin to stuck 1 keyboard button, and your reasoning will be "its tool", then i will argue the hell out of support i think we had this kind of discussion already back in the past rock? do we live in ice age or what ... pros have special equipment for this stuff, like golf ball! (i wished i met lfury in olympiad this month so i could record video from my phone how i just put golf ball on 1 button and let it play instead of me, but sadly no luck yet also wanted to do it with potato instead of golf ball, so i could laugh he is worse than potato, but student life is harsh and no money for potato)

i have put WL to last tier coz of his solo lvling potential with EE, but considering his powerlevel in this patch, i would be up to putting him in the middle tier as well together with sorc+sps

guys, i really need new boots, today next victim of the abuse, this cannot continue like this ...

ofc with each patch more and more needs to be filtered, but saying to not watch official anymore is imo wrong, they still have some very nice ideas which just need a bit of tweaking to not look stupid but be actually enjoyable

thats interesting idea, tho i wonder how that would work, how often that would happen and stuff. Tried to solve this with reducing 4 tiers into 3 tiers, while 2nd tier having lots of options when their solo pve is far inferior to classes from 3rd tier. that would in common sense increase occurance of tanks (as their tier increased and now even from pleb DDs you could reroll to them (except DA), but one would say it would even reduce occurance of pleb mages for example like sps/sorcerer, as their tier dropped and even less classes can class change to them -> i would say thats not exactly true, because now people might consider changing to sps/sorcerer with knowing they wont be doomed into last 4th tier, but if they dont like it or it will be like super weak, they have more options to class change than before

for any1 who wants to read current status, here is link to service https://l2classic.club/forum/topic/7439-class-change/ - make it safe to lvl up up to 78 lvl (right now its up to 77 (now you get deleveled to 76 100%, make it 77 100%) - i dont think compensation for 3rd class skills is needed, now with olympiad chests the books arent that expensive anymore - as anytime said, if its 3rd class already, then make it 3rd class without having to repeat quest - considering changing tiers a bit, maybe i would put ES to the 4th tier group and spellsinger/sorcerer/gladiator to 3rd tier group, BD/SWS i would put into 1st tier group and rest of the 2nd tier group i would just merge with 3rd tier (tanks+dwarves), so that would leave us with 3 tiers only instead of 4 important note: i would actually make some special DA tier group, its solo lvling is superb on very basic buffs because of panther which would put him probably in tier 4, however putting DA into tier 4 would just result into everyone class changing their not important boxes into DAs as oly farmers, which is terrible idea i would say as olympiad already looks terrible when you look at it, so i would just say that DA would go into 4th tier and same like at dwarves case, it would have just (only to change from it) - maybe would be worth looking if same thing wouldnt be nice to implement for ES as well, to just be able to class change from it to something else so in the end, it would look something like this: First group classes: Overlord Prophet Warcryer Bishop Elven Elder Shillien Elder Bladedancer Swordsinger Second group classes: Warsmith (only to change from it) Bounty Hunter (only to change from it) Paladin Temple Knight Shillien Knight Treasure Hunter Hawkeye Plainswalker Silver Ranger Abyss Walker Warlock Phantom Summoner Spellsinger Sorcerer Gladiator Third group classes: Destroyer Tyrant Warlord Elemental Summoner (only to change from it) Phantom Ranger Spellhowler Necromancer Dark Avenger (only to change from it)

sure, but if people are able to solo farm party zone without any trouble even without proper buffs, theeeeen we might consider changing something sure, for whatever i care they dont have to make it as strong as on official, but if its party zone, make it so you need party (e.g. tank, healer, DD, supports), coz right now i would be able to kill those mobs on my dagger unbuffed pretty safely