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​San0 as ppl said above y will die anyway and y can find yourself without armor anyway with the system I implement or not! The idea of what I'm saying is stop use ppl restarts to avoid the things that has to be done because it's a hardcore server: I will try to give an good example, let's say 1 side VIgilance have party farming in 3 way loa and perkunas want's to gang them their tank go rush gather all mobs and relog at ramp or a little but later so in this way they avoid the thing like to kill all mobs to get the destination ( in our situation 3 way ) and when they come for pvp and almost reach the 1 target OPPP RESTARTS and FINITO. so all this way done to see restarts... and what they do? stay farm on spot? Which they actually can't farm because of lvls or the partys not ready for farming.... so Probably they just soe the guys log back and continue farming .... Y see in this example I give y 2 situations that mostly ppl using to avoid Pvp and PvE spects of the game.... We can try make it better so common lets at least make a pull I don't think my idea so bad....

​Typical answear for mean who say? Hmm take active wc? NO I better log my box and do solo exp for additional % ​ok, and what will active WC change? what he will do to 75-76 lvls while xping in SoS? i have speed on my character, so i can try to run away if i notice fast enough, or just do the circle and come back to spot, maybe sometimes even fight if i find good spot and they still chase me, but what can slow WC do? oh, he can click bsoe 1s faster than as it would be my box, but sorry, i am not using that sh1t when someone gangs me ​Solo wc can drain or try to do some dmg, you are speaking about a game process. According to you guys It makes me feel like your ally all ppl 60 lvls and your enemys all 76 lvls and restart it's like your "last boat of hop" ? I don't believe in this. If y are so tasty and everytime when y go solo exp in solo wars come to you ask your cp member for support or change a spot.... Don't tell me that if we change rr and force ppl to be active in pvp or don't abuse rr for avoiding mobs y will lost all sense of playing... I think for all time l2 exist NCSOFT makeing all time same mistakes, and one of them is instantly rr ​i am not 60 lvl, i am 69 lvl, what does it change if 75 lvl with resist shock lvl 4 comes to gang me? do u think WC draining it once or twice would help? everybody who fought vs me when i played solo knows i dont restart or bsoe myself (except there are mobs on me), most of the time i fight even when i know i will die, and sometimes i just run away, so no, definitely rr isnt my "last boat of hope" as u said ​I wish all players was like you... But it's not so =/

In fact y see only 1 side of a medal, what about your wars that has 50 lvls as well when y come with yur 60 to kill them and they will be unabel to rr? They will start cry also? Besides as I already told y can always use bsoe or pr to escape from high lvls, let's say NCSOFT apllyed in l2 Combat system to stop player using rr everytime when they want to avoid death, but as we can see this system work not ok... Mobs slow combat duration only 8 sec and y can instantly rr when see wars coming... I don't believe that it was planing to be like this.... Right now y speak about your point of view I speak about my but server is not only y and me I would say let's make a vote for this and see what most of ppl think about this

​thats pretty much your own problem? i pvp everyday in loa or then after loa i pvp in SoS? ofc enemies bsoe, rr or other sh1t, but the key not to let them bsoe is to let them outnumber you, if enemy comes with 2 guys, ofc they wont bsoe because they think they can kill u, but like that u can get 2 pvps at same time ​It's not only my problem I'm sure a lot of ppl will say the same... and also take in to the mind PvE aspects of the game where rr also using to avoid things that shoudn't be avoided...

​Typical answear for mean who say? Hmm take active wc? NO I better log my box and do solo exp for additional % ​ok, and what will active WC change? what he will do to 75-76 lvls while xping in SoS? i have speed on my character, so i can try to run away if i notice fast enough, or just do the circle and come back to spot, maybe sometimes even fight if i find good spot and they still chase me, but what can slow WC do? oh, he can click bsoe 1s faster than as it would be my box, but sorry, i am not using that sh1t when someone gangs me ​Solo wc can drain or try to do some dmg, you are speaking about a game process. According to you guys It makes me feel like your ally all ppl 60 lvls and your enemys all 76 lvls and restart it's like your "last boat of hop" ? I don't believe in this. If y are so tasty and everytime when y go solo exp in solo wars come to you ask your cp member for support or change a spot.... Don't tell me that if we change rr and force ppl to be active in pvp or don't abuse rr for avoiding mobs y will lost all sense of playing... I think for all time l2 exist NCSOFT makeing all time same mistakes, and one of them is instantly rr

Right now for this moment I see pvp on this server only 1 time in 2 weeks, I repeat ONLY 1 TIME IN 2 WEEKS! When siege, only when siege I don't see ppl PR BSOE or RR all the time from diffrent game circumstances....

​We are not speaking about ruin, but about making it better that it is now! For some solo player with boxes who always rr tham in case of getting being Pked he will say NO NO change restart it's sh1t ( As Modoy said ) but the problem is that mostly everybody using it for all process of game like pt vs pt pvpv or avoid train of mobs or when he PK and someone trailing him to kill.... WE CAN DO IT better than it is now....

​Typical answear for man who say? Hmm take active wc? NO I better log my box and do solo exp for additional %

​So what? If something let's say work fine it means we shoudn't do it better or what? I think restart is okey right now but we are not official server that's why we all here we don't makeing same mistakes that GK doing and we change something to what we think is better to have and my opinion we ca make restart better!!!

​Besides it will make active support classes like buffers more requirable cos restart your boxes will not gonna help y anymore escape from pvp and save % of boxes or main

Guys, lets be honest when from 1 side come 70 lvls to kill 60 they restart or pr and from other side when come 9 ppl against 3 they do the same, but it shound't be like this it's a game moment of classic that y have been killed with high lvl, and to prevent this y need to exp in place where high lvls partys of your ally can support y or at least put camera to see incoming enemy in time as ppl do this actually.... But the stuff that ppl use restart everywhere( except only sieges because on sieges restart not gona help capture or protect the castle ) and everytime when they are not ready or afraid to lose pvp it's not okey cos it's a part of classic hardcore die in pvp or maybe win! Y guys already has a alot of skills to avoid pvp like BSOE or PR besides ppl use restarts to avoid mobs in loa which is also not okay the thing that here on the server mobs run with speed 140 or maybe 150 make it easy to stay out of combat for more than 10sec for sure but i think when NCSOFT applyed such a think as combat for 10 sec which don't allows y to restart they didn't expected that ppl will be making rr everytime from mobs in other hand why they did this COMBAT for 8 sec??? So pls don't tell me about restarting from high lvls cos both sides do the same.Add this system not gonna work only for 1 side but all server will get a more fair gameplay!!! Moreover ppl will stop abuse this restart to avoid train of mobs which is not suppose to work like this! So comon pls support this topic to make this game more joyable. And if y are like 60 lvl right now and y think that add this system will destroy your only way to haven't been killed don't worry as I said above there is a lot of others way to escape.... I just wanna make this game more intresting....

Okey, So the thing that I want to say here is about ppl who use restart to avoid a lot of game process. It's not an a secret that ppl using restart to avoid a train of mobs or PvP or other normal game situation on server. So my idea is to make like this: On one server where I was playing some years ago administration add a system against ppl who was abusing this things to avoid a lot of game process and even if y take others MMOPRG y will find that in most of them when charakter restart or use force disconect ( ALt +F4 ) and so on your charatker still stay in game for like additional 10 sec or like in case of WoW ( World of Warcraft ) y need to wait 20 sec to restart your char, so about server where I played there was a system that when y restart your charakter was keeping staying in game for additional 10 sec with TITLE above his name " DISCONNECTED" and mobs or other players were abel to kill him. And the system was working great and ppl stoped use restart to avoid game situation that shouldn't been avoided..... So my Topic addressed to San0. What y think about this I think it's a good idea and if y want to know ppl mind make a vote on pull.... And of course probably partys that use this to exp in loa and avoid killing from other wars will vote against but I think ppl who want's fair game will say yes for this!

Oh yea and he had emic +8-10 around this, but still too much

​stun shot never crits and double shot has it in description if u want to know about archer skills also maybe u wanna check FC? i think it should never crit but, but, u know the rest​ FC never crit???? PFFF Once I got dmg from PR 4200 from that skill and I was not nacked..... and sure PR was 100% hp cos I don't even hit him once it was just one shot..... Don't tell me about lvl diffrence I was 70+ as wel as he is probably about 72 and still when i have 650 P def 4200 dmg OMG... gladi don't crit me so much with critical triple sonic slash.... Check pls FC according to the l2wiki it has to have only Overhit nothing about critical hit

​coz nobody knows answer? except staff, which said they wont give info about 2.0 features we get before they realease official patch notes for us ​Well I hope they wound't forget to mantion about this bracers

But none ddin't answear my question we gonna have it in 2.0 or no?

Bracelet of Duty - Lv. 1A special bracelet, which you can obtain for contribution to the Clan development. Opens up one Talisman slot. Can be enhanced up to Lv. 5 using Clan Coins at Grand Master’s in each town. Cannot be exchanged, dropped, destroyed, or sold. Can be stored in a private warehouse.00 Bracelet of Duty - Lv. 2Opens up one Talisman slot. CON + 1. Can be enhanced up to Lv. 5 using Clan Coins at Grand Master’s in each town. Cannot be exchanged, dropped, destroyed, or sold.00 Bracelet of Duty - Lv. 3Opens up two Talisman slots. CON + 1, MEN + 1. Can be enhanced up to Lv. 5 using Clan Coins at Grand Master’s in each town. Cannot be exchanged, dropped, destroyed, or sold.00 Bracelet of Duty - Lv. 4Opens up two Talisman slots. DEX + 1, WIT + 1, CON + 1, MEN + 1. Can be enhanced up to Lv. 5 using Clan Coins at Grand Master’s in each town. Cannot be exchanged, dropped, destroyed, or sold.00 Bracelet of Duty - Lv. 5Opens up three Talisman slots. STR + 1, INT + 1, DEX + 1, WIT + 1, CON + 1, MEN + 1. Cannot be exchanged, dropped, destroyed, or sold.00Didn't found on forum information abut exactly this bracers that gives stats. So the question is are we gonna have them in our lovely server? P.S. more info about this bracers follow this link https://l2wiki.com/classic/Bracers

Take for example Stun Blast1debuff535077200000500-Creates a powerful shock wave with 2486 Power, inflicting damage and stunning the target and nearby enemies for 7 seconds. Decreases their P. Def. by 30% and M. Def. by 30%. Requires a polearm. Over-hit and Critical are possible. Ignores Shield Defense. Target cancel is possible. Take this for example it means allot for WL in pt and this song take this skill and shove it y know where

​not every song/dance have same animation, so if they s/d on your sight, some member can see them using it and take advantage of it to kite at least some time of it, ofc its not always possible thats why sometimes diversity for pt is better, not having full burst dmg setup on DDs but some crowd controler as well, also its not good to have whole cp being crowd controlers but have something with good dps, also if your whole cp depends on landing debuffs, then u arent competitive if u arent on same lvl as those high lvl enemies, and then u should have song of purification as well, once they have it ​It's not only about dmg the game is build in the way that some classes depends on debuffs on 90% some on 50 while other dont need it at all, for example archers cp doesnt care about this song they are mostly auto hit while Warlords, Gladis, Destros, Tyrants even Daggers depends on debuffs ( some 50% some 20% depends ). I just want to underline that with this buff implementation everyone will start reroll to archer or mages soon... ​sorry, but i want to disagree with your statemenet, on our server archers do depend on debuffs in case of pt vs pt or 18vs18, on mass pvps ofc not, but thats not the point atm i guess, if u cannot stun someone, there is not big chance to burst him down, and on the other hand i believe that tyrant can go straight to u and 2-3 shot u and doesnt give a **** about debuffs at that moment ofc it depends on situation if u need to use debuffs or not, but saying some classes are not dependant on debuffs is sh1t imo also from our server, i dont see ppl using debuffs as heavily as on rus/eu off videos, where u can see everyone running with 5 debuffs ​With adding Mj sets y will forget about stun on archer anyway and dont forget about 3 proff buffs and runes which will boost your critical and atack speed as well..... I guess archers depend on debuffs about 10% not more, on GK it probably took 4-5 mounth( maybe more dunno ) here it wil take much less I guess about 2-3 and about tyrant believe me he can rush and give GIGANTIC amount of dmg for sure but after this he ends CD on skills, and he can support for next 5-4 sec only with stuns cripple etc.

​https://l2wiki.com/classic/Song_of_Purification_-_Sword_Muse u took info from l2 wiki from gf/h5 update, classic version is 50% to remove debuffs, 80% debuff resistance ​Hmm this guys, what the was thinking about when added so strong debuff resisting skill ..... Even if it's classic it's doesnt mean that 80 unreachable lvl ​well, if some pt will have this song, u either kite that 2 mins (which isnt that good idea, most of the time its also impossible) or u simply fight with them same way as u would fight atm vs 5 lvls higher pt, annoying, but not impossible to win ​How y will get know that party has this song? besides if they rush on y y can't kite it for sure... What to do classes that 90% depends from debuffs? Instantly die. At least to do reuse time longer not 2 min song duration and 1 more min reuse time

​wanted to do such thing but its a lot of work ;/ Also once i was bored and started to do it but there is not even proper forum section for it. Smth like "Guides" section and "Flames" section is needed ​If y can do it I will appreciate it a lot =)

​Yes, but still he can say at least what categorius debuffs section inculdes! Like stuns, phys\mag debuffs, poisons and so on

Rizos can y please creat a topic where y will inculude everything that goes to debuffs ? according to my experience it's almost everything stuns( all kind : Sonic buster, thunder storm, stun shot, hammer crush and so on.)), mental attacks(trick, switch, aura flash, mirrage, silence, fear and so on) holds( dryad root, seal of binding, arrest and so on), sleeps( dreaming spirit, trance,sleeping cloud, sleep and so on ), poisons( not necessery to inculde)))), magical debuffs( mostly OL skills also wind shackle and so on , physical debuffs( like gladis - armor, tribunal, real target ,Excruciating Strike, aggressions( don't need to say about this everybody knows ) , paralyzes ( Anchor, ls ) ?? I Point that it's only my opinion maybe I miss something or totally wrong that's why I want to ask other's opinions P.S. Buff cancelation skills doesn't belong to debuffs I guess

​Yes destro is an exception but about epic it's obvius Core 20% mental and nothing more and orfen 15% menta and 20% hoold, ant quen poison.... all this means that against suspension or slow or wind shackles debuffs there is no way to boost your resist, with MEN i dont agree with y even when I did dye -15 MEN i notice that sleep and silence started land on me better than before I guess it influance but slightly.... ​MEN doesnt save you from any debuf. COn doesnt help vs stun. This is classic. You can resist suspension just with some talismans cloacks and other crap like modoy said, or temporary increase resist with guts,zealot. But there are some buffs that everyone can receive from support on 2.0 1 that helps resist it - 20% - 10% - 10% - 80%!!! -10% -10% and ofcourse buff that exists even on 1.5 - 100% resist for 10-15s ​thought so, but when i was searching i found just useless tests like "does WIt help u resist mental debuffs" and nothing about MEN, i guess ppl dont give a sh1t coz debuffs land 90% anyway normally, so they just go fuil -MEN anyway ​Hmm Check this guys Song of Purification1buff660238000000-With 50% probability removes debuffs from party members. Debuff Resistance +80%, Healing Power +30% for 2 min. This is according to the l2central.info, and now according to l2wiki we see Song of PurificationProvides an 80% chance of removing a party member's debuffs. And for the next 2 minutes, increases Debuff Resistance by 30% and increases the Healing power received by 30%. So I guess the right one from l2wiki guys and of course 30% not so imba as 80

few ppl took here 77 in first 1-2 months when 1.5 come, obvius that sws 80 will appear i ​chill, its lvl 80 skill, wich shouldnt be reached in like next 6 months, unless someones find way how to solo xp w/o downtime at 79 lvl ​ few ppl took here 77 in first 1-2 months when 1.5 come, obvius that sws 80 will appear in cps with orfens very very soon