What's the logic of GM about new maps?

[bjack]

first of all,we should say ty to gm,ths for their hard work.

we updated GC,FI,HB,Anakim/lilith,varka/ketra.To tell the truth,most of these new maps are too boring due to they are too big.id like to say if we were playing in a

500+ppl server,big maps not a problem,but as we all know,our club was not high pupulated server,its only for the biggest fan of classic L2.

We dont have so many ppl and players are from different countries,big maps make PVP become harder,players preferto hide in these big maps rather than to fight

for farm spots.

varka/ketra/GC/HB:big,1 by1 farm

FI:small,1 by1 farm

anakim/lilith:big,aoe+1 by 1(its waste of time to do aoe there,farm in hb or varka has more exp and adena,btw its a cancer to do aoe there now)

GM thinks we like 1 by 1 farm alone?why dont encourage ppl to do aoe with small group?After 10 years 1 by 1 farm alone,i would not to touch mobs anymore.

In the L2 world,AOE farm is one of most exciting thing,not mention AOE provides better exp and adena,the feeling of dominating mobs always makes ppl feel cool.

AOE accompanies PVP too.

SO my suggestion is close HB/varka/ketra,close all these empty maps,open forge of the gods and imperial tomb.

[LSPD]

Finally, someone brought up a topic that has long been forgotten — because most people left this server after the introduction of the aforementioned maps. The reason? Quite simple: the maps are too big. I'm talking about Lilith Zone, Anakim Zone, and Ketra/Varka.

PvP on these maps is practically non-existent, as everyone is constantly hiding, and it's extremely difficult to gank someone — especially those all-knowing Korean players — because they see you before you can even get close to them.

The best times were during the Giants Cave era: a small map, mobs gave a lot of EXP, and it had what everyone wants — PvP.

@Koll, it's about time to shut down these oversized maps (TI Server). There aren't enough players for Lilith, Anakim, Ketra, or Varka. Open Imperial Tomb and Forge of the Gods instead.

I think every player should add their two cents to this discussion.

Cheers.

Edited September 8 by LSPD

[bjack]

 forge of the gods and imperial tomb are big maps too but these 2 maps are much interesting and only few good spots for farming.

most important thing is these 2maps could help players get rid of boring 1by1 farm which lasts 10years

[Lykra]

Some thoughts/suggestions for discussion.

Enable chant of gate on entire map.

Add Frintezza/Valakas areas and epics.

Add S80 or improve S grade armor sets to be more PVP oriented (they are useless in current form besides Major Arcana and losing +8 bonus sucks).

Add more ways to obtain EWS to improve chances of upgrading gear. Currently everyone is wearing +8 A and top A weapons with almost no hope of an upgrade.

Stop with all the custom events, stuff that doesn’t matter or bring people back. Focus on actual content and giving the existing playerbase things to do in game.

Instanced zones are bad - encourage people to hunt on field.

Add dyes to epic drop table (same as Dion).

Consider adding +8 set bonuses baseline to new armors (S80) to encourage people to stop using A grade armor sets/farm new gear.

Add more areas like Chimera - this is the perfect CP spot. Only exception is Celtus AOE paralyze land rate is too high (but this is true for all PVE).

Stop spending resources on this updated client idea - we all want to play Lineage 2 CLASSIC club. This goes for other non-classic things like elemental stones, etc. Our characters don’t need more offensive power, we could use more defensive power.

Consider disabling Anakim / Lilith runes in Olympiad. They are ridiculously strong. It makes Olympiad way harder to balance.

Consider making more frequent Olympiad balance changes. You could do small balance updates every month.

[bjack]

S grade runs in perfect condition now.

The logic is weired.S80=classic,new client=non-classic,S grade real non-classic actually.

didnt see any reason to add new epics in an 50ppl server,6 epics already too many.change respawn time longer maybe better rather than add new epics.

[Lykra]

Epics is the only thing left to do on the server aside from farm Anakim / Lilith which I think should be disabled on Olympiad anyways.

S grade is fine for PvE but it's completely worthless aside from Major Arcana for PvP. You aren't able to farm actionable upgrades for characters with +8 A armor and Top A weapons. That's bad.

Edited September 15 by Lykra

[bjack]

'Epics is the only thing left to do on the server',you konw no pvp nowadays actually,so whats the reason to speak about S grade about PVP?

More important thing is wait more ppl to get good gears,S grade not only boring but also break the balance of mobs.

Interesting pvp only happen in the open world maps,HB is the best map for 1by1 farm players but worst map for pvp,nobody wants to gank there or

fight for farm spots there.The profit from 1by1 farm is out of my imagination,it‘s abnormal in L2 history.

Anakim/lilith was a good AOE map,but it's not traditional AOE maps,even in the past old days,not too much PVP there.

Try to figure out some common ground of classic maps like abandoned camp/toi/ancient battlefield/ forge of the gods /imperial tomb，they are all

open world maps,even the big map--GC,there were many pvp there

[Lykra]

My point is the maps don’t matter if there is no REASON to farm the map.

I would argue the REASON for most people to play the game is to improve your power in PvP (while PvE improvement helps toward this goal, the “true” endgame is Olympiad and sieges).

So… let’s operate under the assumption PvP improvement is why I would login and play, what things can help with PvP?

1. Practice - there’s a lack of people currently so this basically doesn’t exist.

2. EXP - you need 82, 84 on some classes for all skills. Problem… exp is so easy now with Varka / Ketra + the raids + Antharas exp

3. Gear - you need better than +8 A armor and a high + top A weapon to get an upgrade. Where can you realistically farm this? You can’t.

In my view you could do something about 1. with a merge - more people to fight.

2. is pretty much done and dusted, there are max levels on server and 82 is all you really “need” on most characters to compete in Olympiad.

That leaves 3. which is why I say S grade is useless besides Major Arcana. You can’t use sets without stun resist in Olympiad versus most classes or you auto-lose.

Easiest way in my view to add gear improvement and potentially level the playing field upon merge would be to release new grades (S80) that have set bonuses better than +8 top A.

People will only fight over exp spots if they need exp - which 90%+ of top players on server don’t anymore.

Can you answer me this: what will you do on this new maps? What is your reason to farm there?

Edited September 16 by Lykra

[bjack]

On 9/17/2025 at 2:23 AM, Lykra said:

My point is the maps don’t matter if there is no REASON to farm the map.

I would argue the REASON for most people to play the game is to improve your power in PvP (while PvE improvement helps toward this goal, the “true” endgame is Olympiad and sieges).

So… let’s operate under the assumption PvP improvement is why I would login and play, what things can help with PvP?

1. Practice - there’s a lack of people currently so this basically doesn’t exist.

2. EXP - you need 82, 84 on some classes for all skills. Problem… exp is so easy now with Varka / Ketra + the raids + Antharas exp

3. Gear - you need better than +8 A armor and a high + top A weapon to get an upgrade. Where can you realistically farm this? You can’t.

In my view you could do something about 1. with a merge - more people to fight.

2. is pretty much done and dusted, there are max levels on server and 82 is all you really “need” on most characters to compete in Olympiad.

That leaves 3. which is why I say S grade is useless besides Major Arcana. You can’t use sets without stun resist in Olympiad versus most classes or you auto-lose.

Easiest way in my view to add gear improvement and potentially level the playing field upon merge would be to release new grades (S80) that have set bonuses better than +8 top A.

People will only fight over exp spots if they need exp - which 90%+ of top players on server don’t anymore.

Can you answer me this: what will you do on this new maps? What is your reason to farm there?

Checked your record on the forum,leave my topic,get out.

[Lykra]

So instead of try to engage in a discussion and post ideas your solution is tell someone who has played on server for years at the top level to stop posting? Interesting…

Unless you can answer what you will farm to improve your character on these new maps I simply don’t see what it will change.