Root on new Patch

[teesUA]

Hello guys. Discus please what do you think about upgrade the Root ability (drain mana) ? 

This drain mana is insane on my opinion . 500 mp burned from 1 root skill is too fcking OP . To counter this sh*t you need to change your equipment to Nighmare/Doom and loose your boost...

 

[Koll]

7 hours ago, teesUA said:

Hello guys. Discus please what do you think about upgrade the Root ability (drain mana) ? 

This drain mana is insane on my opinion . 500 mp burned from 1 root skill is too fcking OP . To counter this sh*t you need to change your equipment to Nighmare/Doom and loose your boost...

 

Hello. We are looking into values, were are collecting as much information as we can before final decision. Skill was added at start of the week, so currently we wanted to see how it will play out and if adjustment required ( which it is ). 

We also liked the idea of people looking into all available tools to counter play.

[iKing]

It’s really necessary to test it against Nightmare sets, because they significantly reduce the chance. I’ve seen some players using Blue Wolf or Doom sets—even though Doom isn’t good against root. So if this mana burn remains overpowered even against the Nightmare set, then I would agree that it’s truly broken.

why SE and Bishop can’t beat everyone even tough they have mana burn?

Edited Saturday at 11:52 PM by iKing

[CraftForVodka]

[iKing]

6 minutes ago, CraftForVodka said:

Now everybody will need to have it or doom. But they want to keep playing same sets agains all classes, no strategies.

[CraftForVodka]

I tested few fights on |EE with full epic against player full too nm +6. Its almost doesnt working, if get dress the nm set 70%.  i played against hero spoiler on olympiad on EE for test full time and many casting roots test, looks not bad. But only 2/10 root working. If target have orfen 3 and nm set. With doom will be less resist 50% + epic/mental stuck. 

With both items equipped, your total resistance will be 76% (since 

), and the chance of Root landing on you will be reduced by 4.16 times.

 

Mental Shield adds another powerful multiplier to the denominator. If a root landed on you every 4th time without the buff (24%), with Mental Shield the chance will drop to 15–18%. This applies if your class has this skill or if you receive it from a buffer.

 

PS. Add more inventory capacity and % lift for carrying +1 set as an alternative. 

zaken 3   15% mental resist/attack

Conclusion:

• EE/PP: Now have the tools to dominate the battlefield and dictate the fight.
• Bishop/SE: It's just a boost to help them push enemies away.
  The game has shifted: healers are now active playmakers, but the NM set is now more mandatory than ever to survive them. (BISH SE = they were too weak earlier)

orfen 3  Hold Resistance and Atk. Rate +20%

Edited yesterday at 01:03 AM by CraftForVodka

[CraftForVodka]

looks +- like this, if I understood roughly. admin can correct it more exactly.

Edited yesterday at 01:05 AM by CraftForVodka

[iKing]

6 minutes ago, CraftForVodka said:

looks +- like this, if I understood roughly

I think mental resist doesn’t affect root, just DEBUFF resistance from prophecy or guts

[Koll]

Mental Shield + Guts do increase resistance, but not all classes have them. Epics do increase resistance, but also increase landrate to same value ( so level them self out ).

[teesUA]

7 hours ago, CraftForVodka said:

yes yes, its good when you play melee class and can wear even all the time Nighmare set. But what if you play mage class(like me) and for mages DC+6 is ofcourse the best set in the game. And ofcourse i have NM robe set too. But in DC i have 1180 cast speed  - NM - 900  . And when you play vs new root classes its GG because they smash you like a b*tch and you cannot do nothing.  And yestarday i try to play dagger VS root classes. 2-3 skills 1 root and you have ZERO mana. 

I dont know what to do with this but 500 mp for 15 seconds guys its too much. This is insane

[Sensei]

Too OP for Dion.
Barely noticeable on TI due to abundance of NM sets, lv4 epics and lv6 Anakims.
That said, I don't see why Bishop also gets it. Backfire not enough?

Edited yesterday at 09:09 AM by Sensei

[iKing]

1 hour ago, teesUA said:

yes yes, its good when you play melee class and can wear even all the time Nighmare set. But what if you play mage class(like me) and for mages DC+6 is ofcourse the best set in the game. And ofcourse i have NM robe set too. But in DC i have 1180 cast speed  - NM - 900  . And when you play vs new root classes its GG because they smash you like a b*tch and you cannot do nothing.  And yestarday i try to play dagger VS root classes. 2-3 skills 1 root and you have ZERO mana. 

I dont know what to do with this but 500 mp for 15 seconds guys its too much. This is insane

Do you want a screenshot from a box necro winning EE dressing NM robe?

[iKing]

33 minutes ago, Sensei said:

Too OP for Dion.
Barely noticeable on TI due to abundance of NM sets, lv4 epics and lv6 Anakims.
That said, I don't see why Bishop also gets it. Backfire not enough?

Sometimes bishop has difficulties to catch opponents who keep running as a win condition, so it’s a new tool for these situations, also bishop can be easily bursted for some classes due to low mental and shock resistance. Talking about TI there is tree of life and it also makes EE OP.

Edited yesterday at 09:43 AM by iKing

[teesUA]

9 hours ago, iKing said:

Do you want a screenshot from a box necro winning EE dressing NM robe?

I won some retarted SE wearing NM set too, but we talk about real fights and strong oponents . I won on my 79 Bishop with bw robe set and D grade weapon vs 718 hero dagger so you think its ok yes? 

Edited 16 hours ago by teesUA

[iKing]

14 hours ago, teesUA said:

I won some retarted SE wearing NM set too, but we talk about real fights and strong oponents . I won on my 79 Bishop with bw robe set and D grade weapon vs 718 hero dagger so you think its ok 

I did some tests today: EE 82 vs DA 82, both fully epic, with FI talisman (Leader) and NM set.
When I tested against Doom, about 1 or 2 out of every 10 roots landed, so Doom doesn’t work well against root.
But against NM, it was very RNG-dependent: sometimes it worked on the 5th try, but other times I landed around 36 roots and only 1 worked.
When I tested against Mental Shield and Prophecy, in some cases I used all my MP and not a single root landed.
So, considering that most classes don’t have Mental Shield or debuff resistance skills, if you get rooted within the first 10 attempts, it’s basically just bad luck.
Also, it can be removed with Core, Liberate, and Denials. 

The server has only two strong EEs, and Titans have around two minutes of immunity. Necros can also recharge their MP.
Until last month, TK was almost unbeatable— even Necros and summoners were outperformed by him.
He used to rush into EEs, and it was really hard to keep them alive because of his high damage and full aggression.
Nobody was complaining back then; now Necros, sumonera and TKs just have one more competitor.

Edited 1 hour ago by iKing