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1 hour ago, FryderykChopin said:So all in all still not a single objective argument against rewarding players for helping finding bugs on OBT.
Except this is not OBT, just because they "call" it like that doesnt mean it is. If they really want things to be done, they can go back to CBT, invite those people which are actively testing right now and cooperate with them closely on solving issues. And then reward those players corresponding to how much job they did.
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Or you just buy Empower Stews as reward for fishing like everybody on Skelth used to. But that goes for 2.0 and higher chronicle.
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Why would you put SWS pov at the start of video? 90% of the people will just close it before gladiator part will come, especially after such a poor performance of SWS. If your main job is keeping songs on party, but you dont redo it for 3+ minutes after initial s/d fades, i think you should reconsider playing this class.
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3 minutes ago, FinalFen said:Reaper when quoting someone you srsly shouldn't cherry pick parts of someones post, cutting sentences in between, changing their meaning just to create a flame ground for yourself.
I never suggested that PW is a good class choice for him. What I said, and what you should read again is that if he really likes the elven lore and wants an elven fighter there are 3 better choices than TK, because the truth is that even PW is better of a pick simply because he's more fun to play (that's a general specific of dagger classes - lots of active abilities and high burst). With that said I've still added a note that PW is the weakest of all daggers so not sure what are you talking about.
Regarding SR, once again IF he likes the ELVEN FIGHTERS and no matter what he wants to make an elven figther, then yet again picking SR is better than going TK. 1 thing is that SR is way more fun to play during PvP. Since he's an archer class, he's naturally very efficient during PvP's and further more there's a lot smaller drop in PvP power when comparing PR to SR than if you compared DA to TK, where DA outshines TK so badly, that the poor elf simply becomes blind :<
And yes I do agree, that if you have a nice and fun personality you will find your CP anyway, but where's your point ? I never said that TK won't find a CP/Group, but that he isn't as wellcomed as other classes because of what it will be harder to find a group, and some groups (tryhards) will simply be not achievable for you. Hard to find =/= Won't find.
I wouldnt bet my hand on saying that PW is better pick than TK. To tell you truth, TK is way much more useful than PW atm, just because dagger is generally more fun, doesnt mean that PW is more fun.
You would see how huge difference is in mass pvp between PR and SR, and then comparing DA with TK in mass pvp is very simple, whats is your job in mass pvp? To tank dmg for archers/mages, 1 silence at start of pvp and what can DA provide more than TK? And you can bet your ass that the silence will be casted on DA very soon after pvp starts, what you can do after that? Ofc DA is very good class, but comparing DA with TK is stupid, because they have very different functions in pvp.
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3 hours ago, FinalFen said:Not sure if I can agree with that. If we had SA on weapons then ye Archers wouild achieve near 400 crit rate with a bow but without that average archer with COV will sit on around 300-340(?) crit rate (unless there was a crit rate change in Classic). So you are still earning effectively around 170-200 crit rate (which is freaking a lot) and doubt I would pass it for any other rune.
That goes for solo players, not CPs. Its not hard to make 76 lvl on Saviors Update, so every party will have cov/vop, thus the archers will profit 120-150 crit rate bonus as i said, while fighters will be able to get full 300+ crit rate boost, for which they have skills which increase critical damage drastically, unlike archers. So yeah, i still stand behind melee parties will profit more from othel crit runes more than archers (Eventho they will use it as well).
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3 hours ago, FinalFen said:THIS
People should stop trying to be nice at all cost or to troll a guy who might be wasting months of gameplay just to realise his class decision was a one big mistake. If certain class is boring and weak just say it. Even if it looks that one guy likes particular class lore/concept and you don't want ot discourage him for picking what he might consider to be optimal for him, you still should give him nothing but hard and reliable arguments.
Stuff like "well TK isn't the best tank but definitely has it's own place and can be fun to play" is just a sad troll (be it intended or not) :f
To sum up this flame thread with almost no input on what OP was asking:
TK is:
Boring to PvE
Boring to PvP
Heavily reliant on having a good party because he farms slow
Has little in terms of active and impactfull skills
Isn't wellcomed in most CP's / CLAN's who are planning to PvP and contest EPIC's one day
PW - if you want a melee dpser (although he's arguably weakest of the daggers)
I guess you havent seen single Zhantiel movie, yes, TK is not DA or SK, but neither SR is PR, yet you still encourage him to make it? Whats up with suggesting him PW if he wants melee dps, while PW is possibly WORST class possible from all 31 choices right now? Are you sure you arent troll yourself? As i said, if you show yourself you are helpful as TK or you are good guy, you are capable of finding cp/clan, not everybody is trying to achieve perfect setup and rather have worse setup consisted of nice guys than flaming kiddos or emos and who knows, maybe they can even make their "bad setup" work in some way.
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40 minutes ago, gfbot said:It did. Which one didnt it match?
Also the art one was perfectly fine too.- The work has to be made by the participant. ✓ Parodies are still made by the individual aka me.
- The work should have our server name (L2classic.club) on it ✓ I put the logo in it, do you want me to go edit it and put in l2classic.club? How can I do that without a graphic redactor?
If so, here is the resubmission:
- Pictures of the work can not be edited on any graphic redactor. ✓ (This is honestly the vaguest ruling of them all. I cant use a graphic redactor in an ART contest? Really? Does MS paint count as a graphic redactor???)
If you didn't want shit posts, then you shouldn't of put in participation rewards.
Read it again:
On 9/4/2017 at 8:06 PM, Kse said:3. Best L2classic.club 2.0 Art
This is a "Free category", which means, you can participate here with every Art, made by You!
It can be drawing, cooking, sculpting... But in any case it has to be related to 2.0 Update.
Requirements:
- The work has to be made by the participant
- The work should have our server name (L2classic.club) on it
- Pictures of the work can not be edited on any graphic redactor
How to participate:
- Create a piece of Art
- Make a picture of it.
- Post a picture it in a special participation thread
I believe "Make a picture of it" and "Post a picture" should have been "photo", as you can see, it should be something u make in real life, not on PC (a.k.a. drawing, cooking, sculpting) and thats why its forbidden to use graphic redactor (thats why if requirements there is written you need server name on it, not logo, because who would draw the logo??), so your picture definitely doesnt fit the "Art" contest (the wallpaper one i guess it does)
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10 hours ago, darkwarlord said:Have a chance on this server?
Every class has chance, you just need to be good at what you are doing. If u want to see tank elf in action, i suggest you watching some Zhantiel movies on youtube. He plays TK on skelth and makes lots of videos.
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4 minutes ago, kktnxbye said:To be sold on daily basis - they should be dropped on daily basis. Go google drop chance for epics and their respawn time. And who told you that there is no trade for epics? It's rare but there is some deals on the market, you are just not such a caliber if you dont know that.
"Do you realize if they really wanted to have their stuff tested" - so you are imply that our server administration do not want 2.0 to be tested? I guess I will stop our disscussion here.
Oh, so there is not >at least< 1 epic spawning every day? Trading of epics? You mean people selling them and buying for money? That is your definition of trading? I saw you commenting about several RMT accusations on this server in past, i believe you are well aware of this problem as well, arent you? Unless you have lots of money, nobody is "Caliber" you are speaking of.
Yes, i subtly do. I believe if they really wanted to push 2.0 release to their limits, they had their opportunities to do so, which they declined, by giving rewards like this, its not like you will speed process by 50% or even anywhere close to it
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6 hours ago, kktnxbye said:The population will be lower and lower with the 2.0 delay. It's evidently to anyone exept of you. Ppl will not go help for free. It's fcking fact. The bugs bounty is used everywhere for many ears now, even the company who reject it - gave up and accepted its usefullness. Google it if your common sense is absent.
QA is farmed EVERY day. And I suggested to offer only 1 to the most helpfull guy. Its not so OP u know, its not orf\core lvl 3. It's ~1.5year of epics on this sever and it's already ~170 QA on the server if take 33% of the chance, What 1 QA will change? Are u stupid?
6+ CP + many solo playes already left, and you are talking about "I and few hundreds players havent lvl"? And "equip"? It's only epics are needed for 2.0 cause of Oly. Are u farming epics? No. cause you and your ally\chinas are useless crap who didn't achieve anything on this server without biggest zerg.
Wow. Did you see "Stream competition" or this "2.0 competition" rewards? And you are asking for AQ for the most helpful guys for these bugs found (From what i saw in this report section, most of the reports were just 3rd class quests or some visual bugs). Do you realize if they really wanted to have their stuff tested, instead of this they could hire some guy who they would pay normally to find bugs and it would be much better? Just because there are many AQs on the server, they are still not even close to be sold on daily basis, so yeah, 1 QA will change something.
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2 minutes ago, FinalFen said:Ofc there is a reason :f Think for a moment about how many people were always annoyed with the fact that nukers and archers dominate all of the mass PvPs due to their range DPS and inability to close the range before dying when playing as a warrior. With additionall crit rate (even if they will cap after using only 180 crit rate from othell) archers will become even more deadly and there will be even less chance for fighters to close the distance. So archers will greatly increase their PvP potential while melee fightes (who by many are considered underwhelming even without the othell runes in the play) will gain almost nothing since most of their dmg is coming from skills anyway :f It will only further strengthen the always existing archer and nuker meta :f
If you get killed on melees from archers who auto attack and not FC than you are pretty much noob, melees can very easily smack archer parties and are very important part of mass pvps (Yes, you dont make tons of frags, however thats not your job, you are supposed to peel for mage/archer parties).
Other than that, i am pretty confident this othel rune might help melees more than archers in pvp and reason is simple: archers will get like 120-150 critical rate bonus from it because of their already high critical rate, on the other hand destroyer/tyrant will fully profit from the critical runes because of their low crit rate and on zealot which gives them 100% bonus critical damage on auto attacks will boost them insanely
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20 minutes ago, kktnxbye said:@Reaper So you are voted "no" just because ppl who reported bugs for 1.5 didnt get a reward? That's why admins should not do this for 2.0(to make it move to live faster)? I thought that every sane person understand that the bug bounty is the well-known solution to make any products better.
Yes, i voted "no" because i dont like how this suggestion is formulated, why should people who find bugs on OBT get reward but then if ppl find bugs on 2.0 live wouldnt get it? It wasnt same in the past and nobody minded it, eventho there were many bugs found (i guess u could notice there were quite few reports, not just few), i wonder why you got this idea just right now, or doesnt matter the past, why didnt u make suggestion to give rewards generally after finding bugs? Because doesnt matter how much u try, the bugs will be there even when they release it to live
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7 hours ago, Pendragon said:Why wouldnt you make good rewards for finding bugs? Those who voted no please give me your side of opinion.
I voted no and reason is simple. I saw there is also normal report section and i think people there werent getting anything for finding bugs on live server (Thus you could apply same logic of kkthx post on those as well).
So my question is, why is this OBT related instead of being general? Thats what made me say "no" to this certain suggestion.
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18 minutes ago, Meskita said:And no top b 2h sword coz great sword is not top b
I said it in post, maybe you missed it
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3 hours ago, FinalFen said:Don't know man, maybe you'r right but the data sure doesn't confirm that
70 lvl Tyrant:
Force Burst - 99 mp - 475 power (5 power per 1 MP)
Force Storm - 85 mp - 475 power (5,5 power per 1 MP)
70 lvl Warlord:
Whirlwind - 71 mp - 2439 power (34 power per 1 MP)
ThunderStorm - 102 mp - 1854 power (and stun) ( 18 power per 1 MP)
Quick Spear - 112 mp - 2726 power (and stun) (24 power per 1 MP)
That's 5-7 times better mana efficiency when doing AoE trains speaking for Warlord. To give you a clearer example: If WL to finish a big train needs 3-4 mana pools (own mana pool and then being recharged) that means that Tyrant would need his mana pool to be completely refilled 15-28 times. Sure if you get 5 rechargers on your back you can do AoE trains as a Tyrant but even then you don't have the stun :f
Thats not how you count it, because tyrant AoE skills are mostly about P atk, hell, good players learn only very first lvls of those skills and dont waste more SP on them to save it for other skills while they have low MP consumption, while dmg is very comparable with maxed lvl of skill with same equip
Not to say every second train you can lower yourself to use zealot which gives you 50% clarity effect on skills, so you barely waste mp to kill those trains
Overall, since destroyer normal AoE (auto attacking while vamping everything back) is not really common way on classic anymore (and its kind of hardly doable), tyrant is one of the best AoE classes in game
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14 hours ago, Arcanum said:except you can't, because 2.0 has only kesha*kesha duals, while every other A grade weapon will have either low or top version.
guess they don't like gladiators and blade dancers in korea
Poor gladiators, lets forget how there is no 2h B grade blunt for fighters (neither low or top), no top 1h weapon for mages, no top B grade 2h sword for destro and i could probably go on, while gladi can make top B gun from 2 top C weapons. Really poor gladiators, so much hatred.
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1 hour ago, Poseidon said:did i named it "th obt frag movie"? try to read the msg before the video. u r inattentive.
I saw it, dont worry.
But seeing this16 hours ago, Poseidon said:This video goes out to all QQ'ers 'bout broken daggers.
I guess u wanted to show dagger can make nice damage or win fights vs other classes if played correctly. However the victory came from terrible gameplay of opponents, not because "dagger pwnz"
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Pretty much every of your opponent played their class terribly. That is the reason you could win them as TH.
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1700 CP, 2900 HP, 2000+ MP without buffs. Thats definitely not PR stats, but probably some mage.
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Very nice movie, too bad you didnt have BD in party in most of the fights
Also dont forget you have bleed which is very good for chasing targets or still can make some nice damage to heavy armored classes which sometimes aggro you
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51 minutes ago, Arcanum said:yeah, but you need to get a SE/BP to 77 first, wich isn't exactly fast.
and then, you will need the book as well.
not to mention that the mobs over there are x8 hp, they duplicate themself and they hit quite hard too, so it's not really a walk in the park when you have mobs randomly duplicating and taking aggro from your party members.
there's better and less risky areas in 2.0 for aoes.
Ofcourse you cannot go there straight after update, but you apply this to every new zone in update.
Before LoA was installed, you wouldnt dream of going there and straight doing whole Hearth/Circle AoE, because kariks are "x8" HP, you can get paralyzed, AoE stun, but i guess nowadays parties have no problem AoEing them, same thing will happen in ToI, i dont think anyone on this server can go there on first day of release and just AoE any floor and same thing will be said about Primeval Isle before release, that you cannot just go AoE there and there are better spots to AoE, but in the end people will end up AoEing there
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13 minutes ago, Pelocho said:Just because there is people from 3 cps doesn't mean there are 3 CPs. You can see in the video we were actually less than 20 including boxes...
DasOrc, Bucatare, PuTi, Demoss, Koscejl, Rolan, Desnatada, Oikonomopoulos, Eulogist, Linnaeus, Greven, Zogolot, Isno, xWhiteba, GutiNC, Czebana, ZacMan, Hedeera, JaPolecze, Podla, BloodyQueen, Play, Zog0let, iSorey, Doble, RiversidE, Kalipo
(Sorry if i missed someone or made some mistake in nickname, i am not familiar with nicks from CPs just yet)
Also i dont know if its just me, or each @Pelochos video is worse and worse? (I mean, the fraps war should be posting better and better videos, not the other way around)
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8 minutes ago, Arcanum said:they don't.
and since shamans over there cast AoE paralyze, u can forget about AoEs.
This should help against that https://l2wiki.com/classic/Mass_Purify_-_Shillien_Saint
Not to say every second train you can lower yourself to use zealot which gives you 50% clarity effect on skills, so you barely waste mp to kill those trains
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10 times more done in OBT? Dude, there are probably like 10 people who really try to find bugs on OBT, others are just screwing up. You want to tell me that if those 10 people were invited to CBT and were closely working with admins that they wouldnt do more than this OBT clown parade?