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​yes, he also regens that much mp every second hit, while u regen half of it every hit, put 1 and 1 together, its not hard to tell u truth, u should just shut up about mages and orfen, coz sano will actually get mad at some point, and he will get orfen fixed to regen 3% with 50% chance, and THEN we will see real crying from you on forums, coz u will get down to 0 like falling rocket, because thats how korean random works in L2

​yes, he showed it doesnt give mp at all, where is the video when it was giving double the mp it should? i guess it would lower your xp speed instead of increasing it, so thats not important to report ^^ ​abaut what double mp you tolk ? now he give 1.5 % mp not 3 % like it must be ​its also 100% not 50% like it must be

​yes, he showed it doesnt give mp at all, where is the video when it was giving double the mp it should? i guess it would lower your xp speed instead of increasing it, so thats not important to report ^^

​idk man, orfen earring was changed the day soil made this topic showing how it works, are u sure u reported it before and just admins were lazy to repair it? (i mean u reported it when it didnt give mp, coz u can get advantage out of it, what about other way around?)

​Amen. Lets stop here, ignore @zorgzor he has nothing to say more, his cp used all known advantages since 1.0, zrangers, bots, now orfen. Let them play, but they will perish on 77lvl and QQ how life is unfair coz they hit max lvl with exploitin orfen and nolifing. ​bugs is admin problems, who is nolifers is not you biznes, if you dont have time for classic dont play there, who use bots like you say is baned, if you dont have skill maby you use this programs. ​lets see what should be players problem, and lets see what happened so far in this topic 1. Players are not allowed to: 1.3 Take advantage of the server bugs (including geodata flaws). 3. Players must: 3.1 Report any bug to server Administration/GMs 3.3 Abide by these rules. * You are automatically agreeing with the Rules during the registration of your game account (source: http://l2classic.club/forum/index.php?/topic/2181-project-rules/) looks like bugs are not only admins problem, while u took advantage of bugged orfen to max your lvl in no time w/o reporting it

​u did literally nothing to kill him, thats why it doesnt count to you ​Well the answer is in case you're not trolling Even in clan war it says you have killed "this" guy. ​they should change it that your own clan should see "this guy has pwned himself, git gud" with red message

​u did literally nothing to kill him, thats why it doesnt count to you

​thats what he is saying, that he can NOT imagine decreasing lvls of ppl who actually exploited orfen bug

​6k with lucky timing on low hp and u still die from reflect

​so what u are saying is that it works right on mages but its bugged for melees now if i understand correctly?

​6k from normal skill of mage with no reuse and is spammable = normal 6k from archer, nerf pls kappa

​ ​i believe he was actually trying to explain how it works now, somewhere on second page. but you guys were so busy attacking each other that he most likely gave up trying. overall and if i understood correctly, in a long run you get same amount of MP u get on official (maybe even a bit more). the difference is that you dont have to pray to the gods of randomness for it to happen. my opinion is that is still a bit stronger then of official server. but feels more balanced also. before the flames jump to me also. i am nobody, no top clans, and i defently will never have one of this jewels. Just the point of view from a random player who plays for fun with 3 friends. ​zorgzor, try to read what trample said again, he tried to explain how it works w/o using actual numbers so even less inteligent ppl like u can get it if u used skill infinite amount of times, the mp u would get in both cases its same, however what we have now is still better than official, because its constant and not random Who is Trample what we must hear him ? Player who dont care abaut epics and play 1h in 2 days ? We just wana know why admin chance balanced items from ru off and make ot customized randomly. Gm was saing he will fallow ruoff as close as posible until 2.0 , and just from 2.0 he will chance somethink. So i dont see logic, if epic say 3% of dmg its mean what players who make more dmg have better exp with that epic. And now admin make test with enchanting staff and buffs for mage and chance regen mp. So go make the same test now with +12 fists or duals and go kill mobs. Cose yesterday we with dee hit mobs with auto attack to rege mp. Cose with autoattack regen is bigest than with mag skills. ​i am not sure why u even try to bring numbers into argument when u clearly dont understand math at all ... i thought if u read trample, every common person could grasp the idea, coz he explained it w/o actual math how it works, but i guess u dont want to give a damn reason to even understand it

​debuff land rate isnt influenced by m atk at all, so it doesnt matter what weapon u have if u want to land debuff, just lvl and debuff resist buffs matters (u can find tests from EU off that it should work like that) about enchants giving bonus it is from 2.0 patch notes, so stop being retarded ok? we still dont know if its going to be implemented or not, so just chill about that mind giving us some video proofs with showing equip buffs and everything how u did 5k dmg to equally stacked mage with corresponding buffs? coz i can call bullsh1t w/o blink of an eye i am talking about vortex from mages nerf, coz u know, its freaking OP on off classic, mages doing 8k dmg with it, so i guess it needs some nerf coz its "too OP 1 shot skill"

I get 40 mp from 3200 dmg when skill cost 70 mp, btw i dont see normal ansver from gm how thay change it, and for what attacks, so we have 50% chance amd 3 % mp or 100% chance and 1.5% mp or how he work now ? Or its big secret and ppl must be happy with custom things. ? ​it give u 40 mp from 3200 dmg (+- 1,5%) and before it gave u 80 mp from 3200 dmg (+/- 3%) now u know how it works and u can stop cry Why you say stop cry if discription of epic is 3% and gm change it for 1.5 %, why ? So why you say why gm change you skill ? The same reason. Cose maby player like soil cry on pm for admin and thay change it. We dont see normal ansver for it. ​ ​i believe he was actually trying to explain how it works now, somewhere on second page. but you guys were so busy attacking each other that he most likely gave up trying. overall and if i understood correctly, in a long run you get same amount of MP u get on official (maybe even a bit more). the difference is that you dont have to pray to the gods of randomness for it to happen. my opinion is that is still a bit stronger then of official server. but feels more balanced also. before the flames jump to me also. i am nobody, no top clans, and i defently will never have one of this jewels. Just the point of view from a random player who plays for fun with 3 friends. ​zorgzor, try to read what trample said again, he tried to explain how it works w/o using actual numbers so even less inteligent ppl like u can get it if u used skill infinite amount of times, the mp u would get in both cases its same, however what we have now is still better than official, because its constant and not random

​I think zorgzor finally agreed that PR nerf sux. Mission accomplished Never buhahah. Stil all class will hate one class who can one skill to kill. Dagger need 2-3 skill to kill, and its op pover char with no grade dagger, i dont wana more chars with no grade weapons and 10k dmg. ​funny how u say archers dont need good weapon, when most of the competitive archers have emi+12/13++ looking forward for mage nerf in 2.0, waterfalls of tears inc.

​fixing the bugs is considered as "direct interference in the gameplay", whats wrong with this generation of players?

​gratz i guess? what it has to do with this problem which isnt even problem?

​haha, ive read some off classic forums and patch notes, so i got some idea eventho i have never had it u dont need to be sherlock it wasnt working as on off here what i know for sure is some new random forum accs popping in just to defend orfen coz u arent able to solo xp in BS anymore?

​so u want to play on normally configured server, but when orfen was bugged in your favor it was all good and no reports were comming? seems fishy

​i actually feel sorry for mages that they need EE in pt now and they cannot regen 4k mp in 1 skill could we remake orfen back pls?

​conspiracies are real guys

​fisher is making double dmg sano is making to mobs, also sano is AoEing like 7-8 mobs, while fisher is AoEing all the time maximum mobs he can ​still i doubt it should work like this, getting mp from each hit, it should be chance to get mp back, same like VR was working before changing it

"i choose you option! its just fine!" - Zorgzor

​thing u mentioned here how admins removed lot of things its true, u lose some defences, we lose some atk bonuses, but the thing is EVERYBODY loses those advantages, yet when FC is nerfed, only one who is hurt are archer cps u can say its 1 shot class, so its fine how it is, hopefully we can see reducing mages vortex dmg by 80%, so it wont make 8K dmg but 2k dmg, i think will be also good balance and i think u will agree with it, because nobody likes 1 shot skills right?

So now u saying that dagger levels up in same time as warlord ? The thing is staff needs to decide WHY class change is made: 1) For server to survive (like PA). If so then delete all groups and make that mages can change to bishops and bla bla bla(like this some CPs could fix inside problems). Donators feel.free to play. 2) Or its made for people who failed with class and wants to get better one. But not changing all the time WL-dagger-gladi-archer. Fuking clownfiesta. Assasins,archers,warriors,mages. 3) if its reason 1&2 then make three groups supports,tanks, dd. Lol. Btw it was made on 1.0 where mages solo had insane exp as well as in pt. ​well, daggers are usually part of melee pts, that means that most of the time they xp with duelist/WL in pt, which also means they xp with same pace, now u could argue that gladi could make his own small aoe pt to xp, and yes, that would be faster than most of warirrior tier classes atm, but i doubt tiers exists there to balance every single xp method u got there example, Th3Lord and SoiL, TH and duelist, keeping near same lvl even on 73+, i dont really see how duelists xp faster if u look at it that way