Yea, see, there is usually something wrong with the people we want to PK, in the first place. PK'ing in L2 is like raging in LOL (if you've ever played it you'll know what i mean) There is always someone who asks to be smashed in a face with a hammer, but it's always you who looks like an idiot if you let him provoke you Dear Grumpy Cat, it's the second time already when our opinions divide in this forum, seems like we'll have some PK'ing going, huh, Sett? ^^ Believe me I am not the kind of person to PK someone to vent my frustration (bashing the keyboard is another matter entirely). But just sometimes there is this person who is determined to waste their time f*cking up your farm (e.g. by stunning your puller), that simply won't flag unless they know they are safe. While you can have your mage following the tank as bodyguard, this is not exactly effective, as it means leaving your spot or leaving it vulnerable to the next moron who comes by. -10% is a decent demotivator in such cases, but the karma means it is just as much trouble for your group as it is for them. Any suggestions on how to deal with such situations, other than leaving, are gladly welcome....