i didnt know there are more possibilities then the know amounts of +9 and -11 could you pls provide me some info: are there any dye's of +3-3? or +4-4? or +5-5? and what are the max + and - amounts? thnx in adavnce Are there any unorthodox pve builds out there? Being able to have 3 of the same +4 -5 dyes makes a lot of possibilities available for classic. I am on open beta right now, and I am having amazing success with a +12 int -11 wit SK. I get ~300-400 life leechdrain which only costs 47 mp. Farming just fine in outlaw forest with no shots / hp pots. I live in NA, and it will be hard with my schedule to be with a cp. I know phantom summoner will probably be the only option for me, and this probably won't translate to live, but I am curious if anyone has any other suggestions I could try out before the server goes live. Does anyone have any thoughts on going +12str on a phantom summoner? i didnt know there are more possibilities then the know amounts of +9 and -11 could you pls provide me some info: are there any dye's of +3-3? or +4-4? or +5-5? and what are the max + and - amounts? thnx in adavnce Hey sorry for the confusion. I am using +4 int -5 wit +4 int -5 wit +4 int -5 wit A str/dex/int/wit/con/men stat cannot be lowered past 1. Since a dark elf fighter only has 12 wit, it will only be reduced to 1. Therefore, theoretically the results of these 3 dyes will be +12 int -11 wit. thanks i will try a DA with a bow. I am really liking DA right now due to the buff sharing system they took from high 5. My only problem with it is that a dark panther takes c crystals instead of spirit ore like all the other summons. I am not sure if leveling this way would be efficient at all. I am also interested in how the 'Panther Dark Claw' would benefit me. But my choices right now are between a sps/sh/necro/ps/da/sk.