5. If its hardcore, you clean your karma the hard way, or drop your items. All those who dont want them removed, and saying that it wont change anything are the ones using them most often. And i think its not so nice to sacrifice char for perma pk. Even if you do he is most likely to loose level, while others gain it. So in long term your pk char will be useless or you will have to level him. If you pk, u deal with the consequensesssssszzzz. It makes pk even more hardcore