MoDoy

​Why do you even care about those dyes tho? I thought summoners were the class that benefits from this change the most. kill speed in solo pve is a lot faster with +12 dyes as a summoner. (every +4 str = 200 patk) since we will kill slower, we will use more beast shots (if/when we finally get them), since we cant assist our summon as much anymore. beast shots are insanely expensive +12 dyes open up a lot of build paths for summoners. I can go +12 dex and use a dagger, +12 str and use bow or duals. +12 con/men and just heal my summon. Without +12 dyes, I might as well be playing on an interlude server where beast shots only cost 24a each. ​contradicting yourself much?

​so i am random, and he puts my video from siege where they didnt even invite me to pt coz "we are full" but dont link video from our early cp time :< what a noob this rizos is who are u trying to bait click? idk what 69 u have on TS when i am not there, but for sure i am not bringing healthy atmosphere

​rizo is only guy that high lvl, average of cp is ~68-69 lvl and its because he is logged every single time when anyone wants to xp, because hex on archer ftw (also lvling up isnt that hard, its just need dedication and not wasting time in game, 4 hours = 25% at 68-69 lvl if u farm, and thats not something not that many hours to play, and like that u can make lvl in 5 -7 days, which is not bad) ​solo is simple, and if u pick the time right u can freefarm. ask rok, ribos and all those guys who have an easy prime. i know it myself, dont need to ask any1, i know solo xp is easy, but i hope u dont believe he made 72 by party xping when average of his cp is 69

​rizo is only guy that high lvl, average of cp is ~68-69 lvl and its because he is logged every single time when anyone wants to xp, because hex on archer ftw (also lvling up isnt that hard, its just need dedication and not wasting time in game, 4 hours = 25% at 68-69 lvl if u farm, and thats not something not that many hours to play, and like that u can make lvl in 5 -7 days, which is not bad)

​last time i checked unique had gludio castle (which is still castle), maybe u missed that point in the siege when they crested it??

​tell me how many? once? twice? in 13 mins long video? thats not how assisting works

funny how someone talks how rizos is 1 skill master, when he literally used stun more times in his movie than FC (sorry i am low lvl rizos, other way this wouldnt happen ), but zorgzor dont worry, soon 2.0, and u might see FC on perma reuse on rizo char, then it will be true 1 skill master nice movie, but stop flaming me on TS i cannot assist when u never assist as well :<

**** es, honestly, biz is saying to have every box in cc before siege, yet then he wants to help es/get helped by es, and they are not in CC. can i next target someone on siege zone? its my enemy then and i dont give a sh1t

Instead of crying about everything you should start your own server. But it looks to me like you are posting a thread every 30' because you are only looking for attention... ​If I was a guy looking for attention I couldn't even change my name to a name like ge. Bwahaha, whatever. Our CC was 163 people with all boxes on it. I guess this 180 had no boxes at all. I remember first fight, you came with like 3 waves of people never ending. Also in CC you dont have ES, they were crying that you were hitting them, come on guys at least make it right. ​that 180 was with everything it was on start, as i said, later on we had more, but u can see it on screenshot, what sense would it be to invite boxes after first fight and not before siege even starts? so we can kill them in fight for -4?

later on we reached number 210, but thats what we got on start ^^

​looks like u dont know anything, it was pte not pts, also i believe it was idea towards good way how to hide clan leader, however what i would do is change it to "gre", and thats very simple, even if ppl make target macro for you "/target gre", u can have GREenlightdc peeling for you, if he will be slightly in front of you, macro will target him instead of you

​u are saying we were non stop spawning, but werent u doing the same one time u actually put flags? coz i remember killing some mages several times in a row in less than 5 mins

​oh, man. we res with simple scrolls in mass pvp. i wrote that koukou didnt understand what i was saing and i was not interested in explaining it to him, im tired to explain something to newbs that tell me i make something wrong and then they do the same, im talking about the true warriors of vig who all bsoe. i think u must gank your wars even in talking island, why should they have freefarm? the point is, after you lose 9vs9 for example and some bards are alive, they get feared or stuned into the mobs and can get -4% and need to push to ch. and the worst what could happed u can lose items. p.s. ask salaras about this topic. ​asshole move imo, once enemy accepts they lost, just kill them with honor, dont try to disrespect them and just kill them, then ppl make suggestions to remove bsoes/give cooldown on them, because enemy always bsoes, so i always try to kill him and not let him die from mob, unless its some sh1t guy who tried to drop me, then i have no mercy and next time i see him he gets his ass down by mobs

Some people sit and buy CoL for 122k-125k after sit and start sell it for 150k, write TOP PRIZE and they wait on people as ProGressive, he buy it many times. Free PA when u buy and sell 500 CoL. ​i tried to make buy shop many times with spare CoLs i had, but it was always bugged, i heard there is some problem with some CoL and that once u write ticked they will solve it for you, but i am just too lazy to do it so i also just buy from sell shops for 140-150k

​i am pretty sure i will always be able to reroll to dagger from archer, dont worry about it can we see some results of your tests? as i said, if u are sure STR doesnt affect double backstab crit rate, go report it, coz its bugged, i dont need to test all dye possibility, only thing i had to do was find good enough setup to xp dagger

​as i said, making excuse war is hunting u is invalid, i doubt wars are hunting u more than me, yet i am that build, thing u are blind and cannot notice them fast enough is also just your bad, and overall that has nothing to do with the theme of topic no pain no gain, no risk = no good xp

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​warrior class skill formula always took into consideration P atk, so saying it doesnt affect skill dmg on warriors is bullsh1t (and yes, mages always profited and will profit from enchanted weapons more than any1 else) I know formula take it into consideration p.atk but it doesnt affect much on the final damage of a skill in some classes, like i said. I dont know all of the classes, alll of the skills, but dagger at least from what i know, so dont come trolling more omg. If you want understand me, u understand me easyly, if you want to troll, u will troll. Thanks, gl. ​hello, my name is benicepls and i cannot remember what i said 5 mins ago, and also i cannot read, because as could be seen i havent said ANYTHING (not even single word) about dagger, because i know their dmg isnt influenced by P atk almost at all i commented your statemened that warriors dont profit from p atk, which is wrong, but hey, maybe your argument that i am troll will work anytime i post something wish u gl as well

​dude, youre an archer, you could have -5 or -10 COn but still very decent in pvp, go ask some dagger who put -15 CON and lets see what would they tell you U are right @qloc01 dagger is very very hard class for many diferent reasons. I thought in making a list with all these reasons about why dagger is so hard class, but still didnt make. One of these reasons is what u are saying here. Since Wizzard dyes set up is same for pve than pvp +12 wit, Archer same, they can go +8str for pve/pvp or any other similar set up, valid for both pve/pvp. Tyrant, Gladi, Warlord same or similar, they can aoe, so they can keep pvp dyes set up. For daggers, if u want pve, u must go +8/12 str, if you dont go +str dyes, urs xp will be even lower than it already is. if you go +8/+12 str that means -8/-12/-10/-15 con what means you are crap for pvp. If you reduce DEX, you arent so good for pve, so lower xp, and 2.0 is comming soon and DEX will be more important, so imo pointless reduce DEX. Is waste of time talk about something with Modoy, he is blind, not literally, but blind. Thanks, see you. PD: OFFTOPIC: someone can tell me how stigma is working on a private msg in forum? stigma lands 100% on a lvl 65+ mobs if you are lvl 52-55 SE? thanks. ​srsly, this theories, did u guys played dagger or just heard about it from some echo when u were running to farm spot? there are literally like 4 daggers on our server, so if they say only good build on dagger is + con its only possible option? maybe u heard that the best is doom heavy on dagger for pvp, yet u can see TheLord (which i consider the best dagger on our server, maybe because of lvl, dunno, but we might see in future) running in drake leather armor, there are different approaches on how to play dagger, and just because u didnt find another one than the mainstream one, its not my problem u tell me dagger must go +8/12 str for pve? i wonder what would u say if i found way how to xp fast with different setup (lets say half-kills), i am pretty sure u would find another excuse why to call me blind? or what if i show u how u can pvp with +8 str dyes? will u say its because i am not high lvl yet or another bullsh1t? but hey, i am not admin or i dont have test server to try the things u would like to see in perfect world, i can work only with characters and clients i have right now, yet i somehow managed to bring u videos its so funny how u guys are trying to flame me, how i dont see single thing, yet u brought 0 (ZERO) proofs to back your words, you are just throwing random arguments here and there, while i did take time, tried to find the best options how to best xp dagger solo (with buffer box) or in full pt containing only daggers as DD, yet u still try to flame hard ps: yes, stigma is debuff like in its own category, its 100% which ignores lvl difference (so u can land it from 50 lvl se to 76 destro with guts), it also doesnt generate aggresion, means if u use it on mob, it doesnt aggro on you like with other debuffs) and so far its only debuff of its kind, however in 2.0 there should be "real target" for archers, which should be in same category

​i thought there must be some bug as well, but when i saw rizos going +9 bop like nothing, i was convinced its not so hard to do that (tho i failed my first enchant on server, bought emi+4 and 2x ewc, broke it on +5 so i had to sell the second enchant for cheaper price than i bought so i can afford akat :< ) ​Fighter weapons always had better rate. It's nothing wrong with 1 +9 bop on the server. It's only 70%^6= 8,23% flat chance even without fake enchant method. I had +8 myself back in c2 days (with fake ench). I dropped top d bow from a mob yesterday with 1\10000 chance - so it's possible. The problem is we have hundreds of oe above +8, especially magical weapons. Flat chance to have demon staff+12 is 0,00105%. for Homa+10 is 0,655%. For emi+14 is 1,38%. Needless to say that's not normal and should be cured. As I said - it is not a new problem and it has a good solution without taking oe weapons from people. Surely the first thing to do - is to check this bug closed (and possible bugs with 2.0 introduction). Otherwise we will have hundreds of SoM+++. And I have to remind the RULES of the server which is obviously violated in this case: 1.3 Take advantage of the server bugs. ​+1 And yes, some classes are getting more advantaje of the overenchanted weapons. Wizzards are range and his m.atk, his damage on hits is afected by the weapon m.atk so higher damage if they have +++ weapon. In melee fighters classes like Tyrant, gladi, Dagger, .. damage on skills isnt affected by p.atk of weapon, so, have +++ weapon for some melee fighters classs isnt so big(almost nothing) improve on his skill's damage. So we must take care, because overenchanted weapons unbalance game a bit more in some way like i explained, because some classes get more benefits than others. Thanks guys. See you. ​warrior class skill formula always took into consideration P atk, so saying it doesnt affect skill dmg on warriors is bullsh1t (and yes, mages always profited and will profit from enchanted weapons more than any1 else)

​mhh were yesterday with a level 58 WL ... 4 ppl .. 650k each train... we were able to run 8-10 trains a buffround... perfect spot and no people there. So i still think WL / Glady / Tyr outperforming ( except mages ) every other class in xping. But i agree on the dagger / archer part ps: why crystaldagger *teaser* when you can make 50kk a day ? *btw teach me * ​as i said, u can find good setup with good spot for almost any class, its just about trying out possibilities, also at some lvls certain class can have that good spot, later on it might change and so on, this was just to show its not like u cannot do anything with dagger PS: coz i am not currently playing it, once i will xp it normally i will buy myself OE kris or OE crystal dagger ^^ why would i put money on something i dont currently play ​dude, youre an archer, you could have -5 or -10 COn but still very decent in pvp, go ask some dagger who put -15 CON and lets see what would they tell you ​yeah, archer with -10 con is so decent that with song of warding his HP is 2 shotted by necro w/o dances (which he can pull immediately after each other in less than 1 second), cool story

​i wrote setup on video description (at least what i knew or was able to show, dunno about cyane, since he is playing dagger as main, maybe he wouldnt even like to have his dyes revealed ​i dont care about your dye secret, but i read your vid description and i must tell you that your test is unrealistic, becoz dagger or any melee class in classic CANT lost any CON at any price, so i suggest you to have a more realistic test with 4 str 8 CON or 12 CON even or just no DYE, pls dont ask me why dagger dye CON, pls just dont @qloc01 Bullshit. For PVE he will use PVE dye, that's all. If you don't want to loose CON don't do it. It's all up to you. But this test was realistic. Many chars farming dye like this. If you don't it was your loss. ​ok so when war come to you, would you tell them "hey guys, were on PVE dye, can you wait 20 mins for us to change dye?" even when wartag has same level? or you want pve forever ? ​i wonder, have u ever tried xp with archer with +8 or even +12 CON? i guess not, coz u would know its bullsh1t, u need to go +STR - CON on pve, and it sucks even more coz u cannot carry even1k arrows 5k shots, and nobody asks me when war comes about my dyes on archer as well sure, i could make test with dager +12 con, but then i will compare it to xp on archer +12 con, and i am pretty sure the difference in xp will be even less significant, coz archer profits 1000x more from str than dagger, would u be happier? also all this argument is about "daggers cannot xp as fast as others" while we showed they can, i dont see problem in that

​i wrote setup on video description (at least what i knew or was able to show, dunno about cyane, since he is playing dagger as main, maybe he wouldnt even like to have his dyes revealed

ok, so we somehow managed to get together with cyane and like that we had enough clients to run all the supports needed to test what dps can dagger pt do what were the problems we got into - first of all, dunno what happened, but we had insane lags, like 2s delays at that moment, which was totally screwing us, but overall killing speed was really good. however daggers are way too squishy with pve setup (especially could be seen on pytan when it could 3 shot us), thus would be perfect if the pt could have tank, or maybe just more lvls on daggers (u can see the mobs were pink/red for me, satyrka was just 2 lvls higher which would still leave mobs at pink color), also boxes support was not so good in case we needed heal or simlpy switching on boxes when u had to kite few mobs on dagger what could improve farming - higher lvl, if the mobs were white to us, we would do more crits, better dmg, would take less dmg, get better xp, delay debuff bug fixed (in this movie both stigma and hex are getting in effect once mob is half hp done, so we had to debuff from boxes before we even finished killing mob so the effects start running once we hit), better weapons (i was using crystal dagger +0, satyrka had kris +0) so as i said many times, it might be cancerous and maybe not so comfortable to xp with daggers in pt as it is to xp with AoE, but its definitely doable and its not waste of time, if u find yourself good setup of classes/place to farm which works for u, maybe try to experiment a bit yourself and u might be surprised that even useless class like TK would be in this case better than DA (once again, u dont need to watch video to be somehow persuaded its not sh1t, ~9 mins of xp is sped up there, we were in loa for more than 1-2 hours xping)

​i thought there must be some bug as well, but when i saw rizos going +9 bop like nothing, i was convinced its not so hard to do that (tho i failed my first enchant on server, bought emi+4 and 2x ewc, broke it on +5 so i had to sell the second enchant for cheaper price than i bought so i can afford akat :< )