MoDoy

​Well mate. I think Admins are too bussy on getting ready the 2.0 update. So, waste time in features like this one is pointless imo. Why? because the rate this feature is loved by people is 1/500 for example, while you have any other lot of features that are more wanted and are still not implemented, with rates 1/3 instead of 1/500. Features like minie games to have some distraction when u are AOEing. MiniGames are wanted for 1/3 players or some other similar rate while the boat feature u suggest not matters for most of the players. just for 1/500 or some other similar low rate. Is just my opinion, maybe i am wrong, i just try give other point of view. Thanks, See you. ​Okay sir I would like to see you reach Premival Island by swim when the patch comes out. ​there is no PI on next 2 updates, so its chill for now

​yes, Has no logic. If you dont get hit because u avoid the damage, so you avoid the hit, why should you get stun? Stun chance should go when you get hit and because this hit u could get stunned, but if u dont get hit, i dont see reason to get stunned. So +1. ​with this logic u should resist debuffs also when u block the skill with shield, which would be nice bullsh1t imo, coz debuffs would lose their power on classic ​what debuffs u mean? any debuff like gloom, fear, silence or damage skill with debuff like Frost Bolt(Spellsinger)? I dont see any logic in ur argue Modoy, if you block a debuff, whatever skill it be, that skill is touching u in some way, is touching ur shield, so it can go throught ur body by the arm. Like it was in all the diferent cronicles i played. Maybe i missed any "cool" Cronicle where it was other way. But if u avoid an skill, and u get 0 damage, that skill didnt touched you, so i dont see reason to get the debuff. Anyway, and after all, i like things working mostly like on retail, so, if in retail is working like this, +1 to leave it like this is on retail. if we are going to write some stories, then it might work as imagine u are evading stun shot or WL range stun, eventho u evade main impact, the shockwave from it still stuns you, frost bolt has literally in description "Momentarily freezes the surrounding air" so even if u evade it, the surrounding of the projectile still freezis surrounding air, ice dagger even if u evade it so it doesnt hit u directly, it can still "scratch" you for bleeding effect and the list could go on i just said how it worked, and if that would change then wouldnt it make sense that if tank blocks your stun shot for 1 dmg, why would he get stun when he absorbed it perfectly? (even message in game says "shield block was perfect" or something in similar way), and in that case it would become really strong using shield

​yes, Has no logic. If you dont get hit because u avoid the damage, so you avoid the hit, why should you get stun? Stun chance should go when you get hit and because this hit u could get stunned, but if u dont get hit, i dont see reason to get stunned. So +1. ​with this logic u should resist debuffs also when u block the skill with shield, which would be nice bullsh1t imo, coz debuffs would lose their power on classic

​it is ncsoft logic, was always working like this (and actually in GF stun skill were considered as weaken skills, not physical ones, so u couldnt evade even dmg from them -> example, pw with wind riding was getting every dmg and stun from rush impact or hammer crush from duelist, even with 60-80% skill evasion rate), they fixed it in GE where u could resist dmg, but u could still be stunned

​was discussed several times, and info if we get it or not on this server will be revealed once we get full patchnoters / test server open

and doom tunic/plate patterns, full drops as well of course

​Pick up some adena, they're not biting sorry, i never waste time picking adena when farming alone, one does not simply become rich by picking adena i rather spend 2 days marketig/farming expensive items and make lots of adena and then for week i focus simply on xp

ok, so i was lazy to study for uni, so i made 20 mins xp with PP+sws buffs (perma wind+hunter up) with my archer, result is 5.4kk (its with 10% clan bonus, so i compare it with 4.3kk result from dagger), is this that BIG difference we are all talking about? and who knows me, knows that i have my archer fully stacked for pve (except AQ obviously, coz i am random), sorry, but more i try to test things about this, i am more convinced that 80% ppl who try to bring some argument have never touched dagger character on classic, and they just hear it from ppl ofc i agree daggers have the hardest time to find good pve party, but not single class is perfect for everything, and anyway solo xp is the fastest way to lvl up (4.3kk is more than average we can make in 20 mins in fully stacked archer pt in loa as 9 man pt), its just that playing solo for long sucks and is really boring and tiring, i dont take u this (PS, we wanted to try test loa xp with daggers with rizos, but looks like we dont have enough PAs on the characters we would need to compare xp with archers) also tomorrow i will try to find lower lvl archer account, try it with low enchanted emi and post result with that

What was the reason you started as SR instead of dagger then? And only now you think so much about changing? ​ - Have in mind change to dagger in future so thats the reason why they want to keep daggers in same group. I would make a bet for Rizos/Modoy. ​for sure i am open-minded to switch to pw from my archer, pw was my main class for longer than 3 years, and only reason i didnt start it here was because i did research on different kind of forums, and only thing ive read was that dagger sucks and not a single good thing mentioned (take in mind it was like half year ago), then some movies started to pop out from dagger olympiad and daily pvp, and i felt it could actually be great fun, and idk why ppl were so negative to the class itself ​i think i answered in this topic already

​So this is the real reason why you want to change service... (just give him hero status right away and problem solved. :-)) Well you know what i can start a dagger today and make him enough lvl to join Oly and just farm him and you still won't get hero... This is a stupid justification for a stupid move i think the service as it is it helps you want change it just to don't have so much competition in oly and thats is just nonsense... But thats only my tought... thats not only your thought, some ppl already realized xping dagger is not sooooooo bad (yes its not easy and fast, but come on), but ppl are afraid that high lvl chars will reroll to daggers for oly, they dont care about ordinary pvp or other sh1t ​I can see that you think you are the smartest guy out there and you know best what everyone thinks / is afraid of Somehow poll result do not agree with what you are saying so far. So maybe you should take a small break, cool down a little, and think the whole thing through once again. I can only tell that what you say is good on paper, but not so much in practice. You said that you wouldn't pay 20 euros to change for dagger but you keep saying that dagger have it sooooo easy to exp for just 20 euros PER MONTH (se+sws), and if we add another 10 euro per month (cat) then it is really power lvling so we shouldn't cry - nice logic Next thing is - obviously Oly is a problem and what I can see is that not Haibara wants change to get a hero - but you want not to change so you can reroll and get a hero really I can count with my fingers how many active abyss walkers and plains walker are there on a server, so any warrior/archer 70+ can pay for class change to AW/PW and get free hero with 0 effort. It is some next level abuse and it should be forbidden. I think there is a reason why there are so few AW and PW on the server. So stop repeating how you could just play dagger and rape everything and everyone if you just wanted. Just do it instead of going easy mode. Dagger is so easy to xp than in top 100 servers chars, just TheLord appears, because he is very very very very active and has a clan with him. y y, how easy xp daggers are. Other old players like Artiemes and Haibara are not even lvl 72/71. they dont appear on top 100 list. ​and how many of archers can we see in top 100, which didnt reroll after 72+? oh, only katsumoto CP, which is farming in NA timezone, which is way more peaceful for farming in loa and means, which is reavers old character which was 69 half year ago artiemes is so low lvl because biz cp lvls slow overall (from watching how biz gets his lvls on friendlist), but i guess its because he has to take care about some clan responsibilities

​So this is the real reason why you want to change service... (just give him hero status right away and problem solved. :-)) Well you know what i can start a dagger today and make him enough lvl to join Oly and just farm him and you still won't get hero... This is a stupid justification for a stupid move i think the service as it is it helps you want change it just to don't have so much competition in oly and thats is just nonsense... But thats only my tought... thats not only your thought, some ppl already realized xping dagger is not sooooooo bad (yes its not easy and fast, but come on), but ppl are afraid that high lvl chars will reroll to daggers for oly, they dont care about ordinary pvp or other sh1t ​I can see that you think you are the smartest guy out there and you know best what everyone thinks / is afraid of Somehow poll result do not agree with what you are saying so far. So maybe you should take a small break, cool down a little, and think the whole thing through once again. I can only tell that what you say is good on paper, but not so much in practice. You said that you wouldn't pay 20 euros to change for dagger but you keep saying that dagger have it sooooo easy to exp for just 20 euros PER MONTH (se+sws), and if we add another 10 euro per month (cat) then it is really power lvling so we shouldn't cry - nice logic Next thing is - obviously Oly is a problem and what I can see is that not Haibara wants change to get a hero - but you want not to change so you can reroll and get a hero really I can count with my fingers how many active abyss walkers and plains walker are there on a server, so any warrior/archer 70+ can pay for class change to AW/PW and get free hero with 0 effort. It is some next level abuse and it should be forbidden. I think there is a reason why there are so few AW and PW on the server. So stop repeating how you could just play dagger and rape everything and everyone if you just wanted. Just do it instead of going easy mode. ​yes, i think of myself as smartest guy on earth, is that problem? i see how my words are working in theory, while all your words are working perfectly in practice, oh, wait, i just did movie of how daggers can xp, could u pls show me video how u can do double xp with archer on +- same conditions that its so unfair for him ro reroll to dagger after? go on, show me, because i was myself surprised it was so smooth yes, i said i will never pay for class change myself, and its true, i have several accounts with PA, and my own account with death penalty scroll 30 days (another 120 CoL), but guess what, all those cols were bought in game for adena, if u know how to farm efficiently, u can get 50kk a day, so is it really a problem for me to buy 30 days PA on box for 14kk? i dont think so BUT i was talking with some of the staff, if it is somehow possible to transfer CoLs from game into site, so i could reroll just by using adenas, not donating euros myself, and they told me its not possible, so yeah, i think its logical enough also if the system doesnt change, there will be several ppl rerolling to dagger, saying i can take hero dagger w/o effort is pretty much clueless sentence, and as mentioned up there, i wont pay for my class change myself. also maybe u would like to hear reason why i would like to change to dagger? i played dagger for several years as main class, i know how fun it is to play in pvp/olympiad, and for sure its gameplay is much more competitive and skill based than archer, which relies on stun also i thought about this tiers more like so ppl wont abuse the point of xp in overall aspect, like u know u are going to play healer in pt, but u know, some ppl can just say i will solo roll CDL mage + SE, make it lvl 60 and then join the main pt with reroll on healer, because playing healer from start is impossible to lvl as duo, u always have to rely on pt and it would be much harder to get there PS: i am not 70+ archer, just so you know

​So this is the real reason why you want to change service... (just give him hero status right away and problem solved. :-)) Well you know what i can start a dagger today and make him enough lvl to join Oly and just farm him and you still won't get hero... This is a stupid justification for a stupid move i think the service as it is it helps you want change it just to don't have so much competition in oly and thats is just nonsense... But thats only my tought... thats not only your thought, some ppl already realized xping dagger is not sooooooo bad (yes its not easy and fast, but come on), but ppl are afraid that high lvl chars will reroll to daggers for oly, they dont care about ordinary pvp or other sh1t

​its clear @@MoDoy wanna lv up with Archer and then reroll to Dagger..totally clear. i agree with your idea. remember not everyone are donator here. im not a donator for example. but i got PA in my PP. and exping with PP buff and soloing. i waste more Adena than i pick up. cause i pot a lot. each 40 mins got to waste arround 300k in pots. and i pick up 72k.... so... in this way. less PA on other Accs. if you are a donator and put PA in BD , in PP , in Warlock, of course you will xp faster than others. the point here is: when we get in 2.0 a lot of ppl who Xping in Aoe all day all night, will reroll to Dagger to Olys. im not stupid guy. and all my time playing as dagger to Fight the Hero, go to trash. cause someone who's reach lvl 75 in aoe reroll.. perfect example with CloudyQ cp, all WL lvl aoe to 74 then reroll to archer. and now one of the top CP archers. for me its unfair for all archers. restrics groups, Warriors Are Warriors, Rogues are Rogues. if you are a warrior and wanna reroll to Rogue, Pay for that, and not only 20 euros, just some lvl too (and more than 1 lvl). let me repeat, i play as TH from 1.0 and if i do aoe from lv48 to 58 its enouthg. then no more Aoe for me, why ? cause im Dagger. and now 1 year and a month later im 70 40%. END. learn to read pls, i said it many times that i want to reroll dagger, but that i most probably WONT becauae i am not going to pay for a game and also why should i change when i get hero on my sr? xping dagger with pp box, crying u are killing slow, maybe i can go xp tyrant with ee and say "hey guys, i xp slow, could u do something about it?", everybody knows for melees best buffer is se, also with vampiric u could see i didnt waste that many hp pots, also i thought this topic is about xp, not farming overall, if u want adena u can get them other way also i dont see anybody crying about cloudQ cp rerolling to archers, they xped, they rerolled, so what? they spend money, its their decision, eventho i had "harder" time xping my archer than their melees also nobody cares about your lvl, what struggles u had in 1.0, every class xped 10x slower back than, so thats no excuse, stop ganging and go xp if u want to be higher lvl also if u are defending this purpose just because u want to be hero th, u can give up, coz there is no way u could take it from thelord, u are losing to lolo archer 3 lvls lower when u have resist shock lvl 4, so yeah, gl

​so once again, as always, we are comparing how class is operatin in one single scenario, solo xp, 1 buffer, look guys, archer can xp faster in this scenario, ok, gz and? you dont have to watch whole video, it is just for ppl who would cry that i cheated somehow and manipulated xp or xped for longer time or something. u can see AW 59 lvl (which is way low for sos, the mobs are still red, cannot land hex), with kris (which is low B weapon), now look, i made 3.9kk xp in 20 mins, while i dont have clan for 10% xp bonus (so that would equal to 4.3kk xp) and clan speed skill for +7 speed (would increase xp as well, coz i have to run a lot), now do u trully think that archer with dark elven bow +0 and 59 lvl can make THAT MUCH MORE xp in sos with pp+sws? i dont think so, coz my stacked archer with emi+12 and 68 lvl with full buffs (cat,sws,bd,pp) can make from 6-7kk there, so do u think if i had crystal dagger+12, 68 lvl AW and bd+cat buff and zerk, do u really think i couldnt pull 5-6kk+ with it there? also u can see that my mana is not even close to be wasted, eventho i am using skills frequently, also not using that many healing potions, coz vampiric rage did quite a job there also just for curiosity i was trying to xp just with SE (at that moment i used pl set, coz i thought it will be better), the mobs were dying really fast as well, the only problem was survivabillity, and had to waste too many potions, however if i was higher lvl, could land hex and had bw heavy, i believe even that xp would be doable and could consider it fast

​i tried both as well, i thought ABG aoe is much much faster, but then i checked numbers, and found out its not that far in front, however its much more comfortable for most of ppl to aoe in abg, coz dds/most support sits for 2 mins, tank trains every 2 mins, u kill train in 30 sec and then u can rest for 90 seconds

​dagger cp isnt strictly just cp containing daggers as DDs, but setup like dagger, dagger, tyrant, DA/duelist (and SE active in main pt) ​are u kidding me right? i guess u have never opened when i streamed, xping with just SE box and stigma every mob would be like easy mode xp for me, i dont have much time coz of university, so i need to pull crazy xp during times i can play, so i log for myself 5 clients on pc, 1 on laptop and go for like 12 hour xp w/o downtime even during shooting, managing everything, lately doing duo xp on kariks loa, 2 ppl boxing whole pt, cleaning whole bridge with just 2 ppl, managing s/d, cat buff, pp buffs, ee buffs, healing, shooting, sometimes managing to get better mobs/time ratio than when 5+ppl are active, so do u really think i would have problem to stigma for myself? pls, dont be ridiculous as i said, even if i am interested to change to dagger, i probably wont, coz i wont pay for it myself, but trust me, even if i was dagger, i would probably way to make insane xp, even if i had to log 10 clients myself and doing debuffs from 3 different clients, so now ppl stop crying and go find some convenient way to xp and now dont say that not everybody can xp, i had moment back in the time when i was bored to do all this, and i was xping my archer 65+ on self buffs, ofc it was slow as ****, but i simply chose to xp that way

​pointed both of these long time ago, yet ppl still try to disagree dagger can actually make dmg

- Have in mind change to dagger in future so thats the reason why they want to keep daggers in same group. I would make a bet for Rizos/Modoy. ​for sure i am open-minded to switch to pw from my archer, pw was my main class for longer than 3 years, and only reason i didnt start it here was because i did research on different kind of forums, and only thing ive read was that dagger sucks and not a single good thing mentioned (take in mind it was like half year ago), then some movies started to pop out from dagger olympiad and daily pvp, and i felt it could actually be great fun, and idk why ppl were so negative to the class itself however why i dont change right now is coz i dont spend money on games, i simply wont pay, but we will see once olympiad will be introduced, i might persuade someone to class change for me ^^ also once this weeks end (uni stuff) i will try to find high lvl SE account and do video of AW solo xp (with boxes) and u could see yourself how daggers are so slow to xp, i will do exactly what i wrote, stigma+hex so u guys can see how the dagger is not so bad at xping

​i dont think that would be possible, because then there would be moments when ppl can do it with full inventory and if they win, they wont get the item because of full inventory (dunno what can happen to the game in this case, but for sure not anything nice, either for player or server, coz he wont know what to do with that item), and simply trying to implement new method of checking if that doesnt happen is kind of time wasting, if they can just add the inv limit exception which is already in game

so you believe that he on self buffs can make better solo xp than solo tyrant? i dont think so

ahaha, so u rerolled to pr? i knew i saw right nick in sos, tho rizos didnt believe me

​its because he linked info for week PA, for month PA u get 20 scrolls and hat coupon for 30 days

i agree, at least not put things that are avaible from shop in game, ppl can transfer euro to cols, sell them and buy in game if they really want it

​aha, so u can get 3kk per buff (i guess just pp buffs?) and u are crying? i am making something between 5-6kk per buff with full buffs (cat+sws+bd+pp, 1 shoting every mob in SoS), and u still think its low? guess what, i doubt u can make much more solo xp archer with just pp buffs than 3-4kk i remember times when rizos brought his tyrant to loa and we had stigma, the mob was melting, now imagine with 2 daggers, tyrant, gladi, i am pretty sure this setup with stigma could clean the bridge as nicely as archers, 1 by 1 its just sad that ppl see very few options how to xp, either aoe abg or loa, or archers xp loa, they think every other kind of farm would suck, so they dont even try it

​With all my respect Modoy, dont feel offense. if you died a bit because "archer can go/is wellcome in aoe xp farm", i completely rofl for some minuts with this. Na, kidding, no problem, just for the fun. all comments/info are wellcome, thanks for saying this, but it doesnt worth. Reasons, you have to wait for dagger mastery spam, and anyway the bonus is crap. you spam 7 skills and u get no mana. and the xp bost is from getting 52k xp, to get 56k xp, if you could check, you could see that isnt working. You say about stigma each mob, you are old player with high lvl char, you know about how many mobs we have to kill to make lvl 70+. Lets talk about 1 DD + 1 buffer box. Are we comparing debuff stigma on each mob(imagine if you just have 1 pc and you have SE on other client ...), not talking about SE doesnt have haste, berseker vs just pp buffs on archer each 20 minuts and how fast xp each one of them? muahahhahahahahah We keep talking. ​dagger mastery triggers a lot on pve, and with it u have like 95% clarity on your skills, so dunno where u have this "7 skills and no mp", try to play with brain, not just random spam of skills yeah, sure stigma every mob could be annoying, but come on, is it really to click literally 3 key combos (alt+tab, F1 macro for stigma mob, alt+tab)? i dont think so, if u want to have easy fast xp, sorry, u cannot do that even with mage and 1 buffer now imagine u are AW, stigma+hex on mob and they must be melting however if i played dagger, i would be pw, in which case if i wanted considerable fast xp, i would probably have SE+haste pot+BD, switching for stigma and hex from boxes and xp on higher hp mobs, however as i know myself i would just log whole support for it for insane xp same as i do with my archer (and yeah, if u want good xp, it wont be easy, just remember that)