MoDoy

​problem with alt+h would be that i dont see party bar, so i have no idea who has what debuffs in pt, dont know about their HP/CP/MP situation (which would promote even more communication, which is great, but with 9 ppl would be kind of mess), wouldnt see chat, what some ppl write (there is always that one guy who never speaks on TS) and i couldnt directly assist to my pt members (some ppl might argue that i dont assist anyway, but i sometimes do!). however i think when u record it in game and then watch it trought replay, i think u have mode like in alt+h, but u dont see any nicknames and crests (even the ones u target), which would be kind of messy to watch on CS video, however might give it a shot a post results ​everything is possible if u want ​atm its easy as hell, always wondered why is grind so easy in L2, not even close to challenging, and thus all of the ppl would have to be more careful ​so ppl always say newbies asking on forum about something that they want it easy way, and that classic should be hard, but when something really challenging is suggested, ppl cry that it would be too hard for them? but i take it, it your opinion, however saying u would leave before even trying it out seems kinda judgy to me

so in last few days, i heard many opinions how this game is not challenging, how its not even close to other games, boring and not requiring any skill. my proposition is for admins, with incomming 2.0 update to lock character view as first person and not let u choose 3rd person view. now u ask why? here we go: view will be much harder with limited just from in front of you, parties will need more and better communication about strategy and to talk about positions, game will become much more intense, because you will have reduced range on vision -> u will have to be more aware of your surroundings, overall just running around the xp zone will be more intense, coz u never know when enemy can jump on your back, which u wont see at that time, also daggers which ppl say suck will get small boost, coz ppl wont be able to react instantly when they appear, which brings use of in game sound to the role, when u can detect any kind of movement from around you, since u wont see your character, u wont care if the armor looks ugly on you, which will boost diversity on how you want to build your character and overall game will become more hardcore (and thats what ppl say that classic has to be hardcore) AND the biggest point of it is imagine how cool it would be to play this with oculus rift, just insane (added short video how it looks, for ppl who never tried it out) now you might say nobody forces me to play in 3rd view and i know, but as only player using this option i believe it brings me to big disadvantage, and thats why other ppl dont use this as well or are just afraid to try it out, just because it would be too hard to play against people who has vision of whole farming area, so lets change future and aim to the stars together! later edit: tried 1st person view with alt+h, but too much information were missing, so was kind of impossible to play

​i wouldnt be so sure that carrying more soulshots than having better dmg is better ​Depends - If you're farming at remote location, being able to carry more soulshots usually overweights having some extra damage, because the time you spend "soe -> gk -> harbor -> /findprivatestore SS -> gk -> tp -> run back to location" procedure takes a few mobs' worth of time ​maybe if u xp solo solo, no boxes on self buffs, other way u just stack every box/person comming with you with soulshots for the archers

​stun 100% from 60 lvl ppl, our debuffs never land on 10 lvl lower ppl, we deal low dmg to enemies, enemies deal too much dmg to us, there are always more enemies than us, orfen doesnt give enough mp for long fight pvps when mages have it, lowbie enemy always PR/bsoe ok, i admit, u never cried about pvp, credits to you ​its abaut debufs, not pvp ​ok

​i wouldnt be so sure that carrying more soulshots than having better dmg is better

​stun 100% from 60 lvl ppl, our debuffs never land on 10 lvl lower ppl, we deal low dmg to enemies, enemies deal too much dmg to us, there are always more enemies than us, orfen doesnt give enough mp for long fight pvps when mages have it, lowbie enemy always PR/bsoe ok, i admit, u never cried about pvp, credits to you

​thing is this is not any other game, its not wow, its not archage or whatever other games u mentioned, i also played other mmorpgs, and most of them had something like 5s/10s rule when logging off, but u said u want 1-2 minute, which is insane Back to other game its not 5 sec. Its 10+ sec for non combat + 30 sec timer for relog. Also imposible open nev client and log into other acc and kick him until on main acc you are not make relog. 1-2 min its good system. Cose kids 40lvl + will thing attack 70+ or not. Cose now thay can relog and go forum cry. They are noobs and come kill 10 lvl less. ​sadly, only one crying on forum is you, not those low lvls ... and having 30 sec timer everytime u want to log out is stupid

​ok lets brake it down. first of all in l2 there must not be such thing as 1v1, its stupid. because every class has its bad matchups. please dont talk sh1t about bsoe, because your guys also pr and bsoe. it only depends on levels, for example if perkunas have low lvl they dont have time for recreation activities and gang because of the 3h prime, but the guys with 8h prime and higher lvl can spend 1h for fun. arcanum, u can prove honor by shutting up and not crying about this. true top players dont give a fu ck about what people talk on forums, but what do we have here - soil frapses how he kills afk and people on farm like 60% of his fights in movies, taduliz frapses a 27vs27 fight where enemy 10 lvl lower or how his party gangs in a location where mobs are blue to them and yells he is a hero. :)))))))))))))))))))))) if mobs are yellow for you and you die from enemy change spot or dont cry. Its open world pvp. So we can go dion and pk all and you nothink to do. ​never say ppl can do nothing about that brace yourself, haibara is comming

bump

​thing is this is not any other game, its not wow, its not archage or whatever other games u mentioned, i also played other mmorpgs, and most of them had something like 5s/10s rule when logging off, but u said u want 1-2 minute, which is insane

rofl, giving 1 min delay when u relog IN NON COMBAT state is stupid, u cannot get rid of mobs which u train like that, also when u relog on farming spot on which u want to continue next day, u have to worry if someone wont come and kill u in that 1 minute

​u are never on voice channel noob, other way i would ump there as soon as i open stream

watched it whole, kind of enjoyed about last PR, u can notice they are bringing new traing, and u can see uchihaitachi, they were there with archer cp, killing the train with only 1 AoE DD which was tyrant, so staying there when DA+necro comes for u just sounds like trouble and dropped items

​it already ruined D grade market, what worse can happen?

yea, i think vigi wants thier arch enemies from uq only

will just leave here taht vigi/sm/rok havent invited any ppl/pts in last month and they are not recruiting shall i bump it for you?

​not really sure how optimal is that considering time/xp ratio, but duo bosses is amazing (talking from own experience)

​ I agree with rizos , im in a mage party myself ,we lost our warlord and now we cant do aoe xp and also cant change some of our high lvl dds (70+) to warlord. So it would be nice if there is a way to clange to all classes. We could just turn archers and still be able to xp without the need to recruit someone in our cp. Ofc i said in other topic that with the current system archers and daggers should be in different category. You cant have people like thelord who xped to 74 SOLO from 1.0 to be the same level with guys that abused the class change system. About what modoy says , experience doesnt only come from playing a character in this server. Someone might have been playing dagger for years , or playing at russ classic. ​ok, i would take argument someone could play on GK, but playing class out of classic is not good answer to that, game mechanics are totally different and most of the ppl would be totally lost by the playstyle on classic, in same situation u have to use different skills, just because for example how debuffs work

to some extent i agree, i know some ppl who sticked to class they like but it sucked feel like being robbed of something once olympiad comes in, and they will feel like all those long hours of good for nothing grind is in vain, BUT on the other hand: 1. splitting them would result in less class change donations i guess (eventho i believe its not that big amount for server from this service, its still something, so i doubt anything will change) 2. if ppl and admins agree on changing the tiers like this, then other ppl will pop up with similar ideas as like "why is phantom summoner in same category as tanks, when tanks are needed in every AoE pts and overall xp fast, especially DA with his panther, which is also really useful in pvp, so ppl invite him to pt/cp a lot, and their argument will be "u changed this thing for daggers/archers, why not for summoners?" 3. AoE farming is not everything. i know its fast, most of the time much faster than doing 1 by 1 farming, but consider things like bosses, which for example mages cannot attend, and its really easy and good xp until like 66-67 lvl (and that will increase with 2.0 kicking in, which will add new bosses, tho not sure until what lvls they are going to be, but i guess at least 70) now for the ppl who might think i disagree with the idea coz i am one of the guys who plans to reroll to this thing, i play silver ranger myself, and i am pretty sure i will see many ppl rerolling to it on 2.0 coz of olympiad, yet i still think someone who lvled up and grind those lvls hard has better knowledge of the character, knows its limits, what stunts u can pull off, has better mechanics and better skill combination with certain lvl of reflexes to situation as what to use, and thats the biggest advantage u have against those ppl who are going to reroll to class just before olympiad, coz i can tell u that dagger is not even close to be easy mechanic class, especially on classic (also leaving my vote open for now to see other ppl arguments, maybe someone will persuade me that this is actually good idea)

​http://l2classic.club/forum/index.php?/topic/13249-suggestion-separating-the-fourth-group-into-two-different-groups/#comment-77223 u can go vote there i guess so your wish can come true yes, maybe its not fair, but life is not fair, leave alone some game, ppl will always find some things which are unfair, but if u are going to satisfy everyone, then it will become one big mess

​what for u need 75 lvl? or u think if u are 72 lvl and someone is 75, he has to instantly win?

Just wanna let you know that the place you choose to fight was all bizz fault and if you tell me your playstyle as ally is for open fields At update Toi is gonna be your graveyard See you soon ​i dont tell u about play style, because its tactics but not style. i told u that you have problems with open field. see you in toi) ​toi will be dream for me finally able to kite on stairs and corridors w/o luring 1k mobs like in loa

​yes, +1, xp dagger is harder than xp warlord, tyrant, archer, tank ... they should stay in diferent group, 1 more group to class change between the 2nd and 3rd with all the daggers there. Like it is now is NOT fair. ​i agree with that. in 2.0 all gonna reroll to Dagger.... cause there come the good stuff and im waiting till 1.0. for those noobs who start play in 1.5. you dont know how Hard was the life of dagger on 1.0.... in 1.3 we have hide , and that make more stable the char. but in 1.0... in every pvp -10. and its a little hard to lvl up.... no AOE... only soloing skills... so ... if dont got cp... you must go solo xp. like i do. i got cp but... still lvling they classes. so still lvl on solo mode. with my QA3 and i use orfen lvl 3 for xp. i agree to be in a diferent group of gladis and WL. Dagger not easy.. and in 2.0 will change a lot the character. i play since the 3rd day of opening. (ye im 69... AND ?) i solo a lot. and i have hard times to go uphead. so.. in 2.0 Gladis and WL 74 reroll to Dagger . and beat me (or thelord or Artiemes) the Hero... i think not fair. of course.. i can reroll to Gladi and xp... but im not a pu ssy. i love my char. thats why im dagger till 1.0. big balls. time and time and time and time. ​if some noob wl/glad rerolls to dagger at 70+ lvl and takes hero from you just because he has 3 lvls advantage over you, u dont deserve to be hero dagger, coz simply the guy cannot get dagger timing perfectly after 1 week playing

dagger with bow doesnt xp that much slower than archer (solo xp wise, under 60lvl teste on shamans, so i guess result wouldnt be that much different on doom knights), also rb pt for daggers are avaible until ~65 now dont take me wrong, i know glad and wl xp faster, just want to say daggers are able to make some xp as well

"bugging of minions" works on official as well, its just a bit different mechanism to do that