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@FinalFen Nice wall of text you made there, thats true.. I will try to react on it with as many arguments as I could (I will repeat myself in most cases, I already mentioned it there so many times before, also maybe i will not react straight to you but in PK/griefing problematic in general)... I can understand your attitude to some point. Its attitude of, lets say, "random casual player" (dont take it as personal insult please)... I will not lie, one and half year ago i came here with some ideals as you maybe, to enjoy "classic" nsotalgia game as I used to many years ago... After short time I encountered first griefer - some dwarf at bandoned camp which droped from me top NG heavy armor chest (bronze?).. back then it was something rly valuable to me (no free D armor, adena drops like 10 times less than now, each death -10%...) .. I was rly pissed back then but i continued... i persuaded mages to pull with me and be my bodyguards day after that and hey, it worked.. the same dwarf showed up and didnt even managed to catch me, mages killed him before that - at a cost of PK... There were many parties/people exping at AC back then and when they saw "PK" mages (and it doesnt matter that that dwarf was terorizing all of that parties there) they starting to hunt us (grattitude ftw)... Our party that day turned into PK fest and each of us (me as future sws and 2 future sps) ended with like 10k karma at lvl 20-22 +-... then i realized THIS is exactly what i missed on "old" l2.. not hardcore grind in almsot forgotten locations but this no-rules pvp/pk systems... L2 ruined its spirit with all the instances and "classic" is the way out to true l2... I encountered many times griefers/pk for fun chars during my 1,5 years journey around here but it always motivated me to keep going and get my revenge eventually... I remember Reaver party hunting randoms in partisan, i remember pride/perkunas literally closing DV or Cruma (basicly only two 40+ party locations at 1.0) and wanting fee for leting you enter in (2kk? incredible amount of money back then). Months passed and shortly before Reaver left to Gran Kain we managed to kill him few times, made his pt (which ganked us) to PR... yeah, it was revarding feeling, i suggest you to try to do the same. All I wanted to tell you by this is everyone of us experienced the same and i bet on 1.0 it was MUCH harder to face it, yet we survived that... If this behaviour is what you hate the most , sorry, but this chronicle is not clearly for you.... then i suggest you some of "new" chronicles, such as H5 or even GOD, where you dont need to even leave peace zone for hiting 100+ level and PK there is almsot non-existant... Now, this is my emo part of the story, lets continue to some real arguments: 1) Griefing tanks in pulling: This is what i dont understand at all how can someone complain on this... Counterplay to this is so easy. Tank doesnt have to be the only one "working" hard in party, find active supports to pull with you... The trend is to have boxed "mana potions" and one PP out of party + at max one active support to heal every now and then during killing train. Take bishop with you, he can keep you alive the one second or two before stun is canceled cos of taking damage. He can purify you in case its lightning strike which is not canceled with damage...When i was exping bishop i had NEVER slot in any random pt in ev/abg (maxim i got party inv for finding that pt to ress someone and then farewell) and then those same ppl which refused me in pt complains on griefing. Thats beyond my understanding. If you dont have bish (rare class played by randoms thats true), SE could do the job as well (purify/heals), EE as well (better heals than SE and in case of paralize where s/he is not sure can overheal can jsut PR)...even PP has very decent heals to keep tank alive enough time to survive till stun vanish... Also exp on right spots.. I see very often 50+ parties on ABG.. ofc, if someone stuns you then mobs 10+ levels above you hit much harder than you are capable of survivng (and bishop healing)... Meanwhile in EV you would have been perfectly fine in such scenario...another solutions are mentioned already.. relogs/switching spots etc etc. Pleasee note im not defending such griefers, i dont like this kind of behaviour as well (and i ve never done such thing to randoms and enemies very few times) but you need to learn how to face it, otherwise you will have very hard times the more you will progress ingame. Now on forum i see people complaining on these griefers and instead of trying to figure out counter in their own gameplay, they are sugesting some game breaking customs "to protect" randoms... Lets begin with custom "dont let people to use stun/any kind of debuff on unflaged people." I dont even know how to react on this, its so wrong dude Huge amount of wartags are exping untaged in some random clans... give them this protection and you wont see any pvp at all till 74 lvl... Anyway people should focus on how to improve themselves instead sugesting customs which goes completely against L2 open world pvp spirit. Btw speaking of which on some future update you will be able to "lock" your equip so you wont drop it. 2.) PK: At first, this is the one of very few things that differs L2 from other usual MMO. That you can kill ppl whenever you want. Yes, there are few ppl that do that only for amusement, personaly i know only 2 of big PKers which are still active.. CHNdaye and JackHerrer. Maybe there are few more but i bet there are not even 10 of such ppl on whole server... Its so little amount that its not even worth mention.. You are trying to say there are mayn of those ppl which PK for fun but simply its not true... Also you have plenty of spots to "hide" before them (CHNdaye dont leave FOM for example) if you are so afraid of being PKed and thats it. Also good strategy could be just run/relog/PR... Find some other high lvl players and invite them for free frags... Different situation is when somone PKs you cos they simply want your spot. You have two options there as well, fight them and win - spot is yours - or move to another spot... Its like in real life, stronger will survive. There is no logical reason behind claim that if you were on some spot first you have all the rights to keep that spot. There is newbie protection till level 40 at each of starting villages, thats enough for new players for aclimatisation , people are jsut too lazy to go for that buff and then complain about being PKed...People are calling for bigger punishments for PKs... I believe now its enough, you risk droping gear, you need to clean karma and run to floran to clean PK points... on 2.0 prices for PK scrols will be 10 times bigger so even adena punishment will be big enough. On 2.5 devs intorduced literally one of the biggest bullshits i have ever seen, wannabe remake of sin eater quest... kill 700 mobs and it will clean you randomly 1-3 PKs but ONLY once a day... thats the biggest PK punnishment since retarded GOD Pk mechanics... Isnt it still enough for you? Even increasing karma foreach PK is not good way to customize things since karma is stackable with amount PK points you have so very shortly you could fall into karma "trap" where it would be smarter to start new char fro mscratch than trying to dekarma... Instead of plain talks about nothing i will use few examples and try to show you how wrong these anti PK/grief sugestions are... First example: You see party of war which is untaged at some random clan to avoid war... Dont you would want to PK them or at least harm them other way (stun...)? Second example (bigger one): Daily huge amounts of PK which you maybe didnt realize its hapening... Not so long ago we (DramaTeam) had like 2 hours nonstop fight at Orfen versus BadProducts... PLENTY of PKs you could have seen there, dude that was so big clown fiesta you couldnt even imagine... Personaly i used like 50 simple ress scrolls and lost almost 2 levels at that fight (it was like 30 vs 40 situation so you can imagine there was milions of karma concentrated in there). Now imagine if those sugestions ppl are making were implemented back then. We started farming orfen and BadProducts came to us. First they asked nicely our allmighty leader JerryZ if they can farm this orfen instead of us. Since he refused, they had to decide if risk all in and try to PK our 40 chars at risk of to have close to infinite karma or let us farm. They couldnt stun our tank and let the RB/minions to do the dirty job for them cos he wasnt flaged and any kind of debuff doesnt work on unflaged people. They couldnt buff the RB (as someone sugested not so long ago as well) with m.barrier and regeneration to try drain all our MP without being able to kill the boss. So they decided to start PK spree. After 2 hours the result was basicly everyone who attended that clown fiesta lost 1-2 levels of exp and had plenty of PK points...Mmm was fun, so what now? Clean karma first (farming that huge amount or die-ress strategy is up to everyone).. Okay, karma clean, get rid of PKs then. Invest hundreds thousands (1.5), milions (2.0) adena.. okay, epic farming is worth it. But what after 2.5 with wananbe sineater Q? Lets say i had 15 PK points there... that would be over 10 thousands mobs to farm in on average 8 days (but up to 15). This one will actually happen on 2.5 and im really scared how it will be... Skip the PK reduction for now then. Doesnt this scenario sound retarded to you? We lost huge amount of exp there. Now it needs to be exped back to 50... Best spots for that are EV (4 decent party spots) and FOM (4-5 spots for solo/duo/max trio)... Since we needed to have chars back ready in 15 hours or so for core (and didnt have much time for exping alts since we want to pvp/farm on mains as well and nobody is nolifing this game) so we came to spot told them we need the spot and since they refused to leave we simply took it. Dont like it? try to kill us back (with our mains to protect ofc) or change spot. Last time this conflict with "randoms" hapened was yesterday on AI... I have never felt and would never feel any kind of regret about taking spots from "randoms" if i really need those. At any cost. People like them (you) can hate me but i dont care tbh. What people are not realizing is the fact, that all those "anti PK" sugestions would paradoxly harm mostly those randoms than ppl who are actively using PKs... Chronical PKers (CHNdaye) doesnt care about PK scrolls cost or some sin eater quests...).. But ppl like us who PKs sometimes. I will be punished with more karma? okay then, i will need to kick randoms from their spots for longer time since i will need to exp much more to cover my exp loss (after die-ress strategy)... And after implementation of sineater quest? The most viable solution is prolly exp PR till 59 then relog him near spot fullbuffed. This PR will have infinite karma so nobody will care and bother with farming some sin eater...And since i will have acces to this PK char, sometimes i will be bored so i can assure you i will go with him to hunt some randoms.. not becouse i have anything against them but bcs i hate that PK system which was implemented after many whines adressed to devs "do sth about PKs pls pls"... moving across the map wouldnt be problem at all with access to gate chant... PK system is set good now, on 2.0 with higher prices is the best "middle way" between protecting lowbies and unnecessarry PKs. Sin eater agathion is retarded as fck and most of the anti PK sugestion around here as well. These are not "solutions which could improve the game" as you are saying but sugestions which WOULD destroy the game. Sorry for wall of text.

week+ ended bro how did the discussions go?

It is obvious that the chances have been reduced (two months ago) without being announced or officially published !!!!! Currently, odds are far lower than "normal" in L2. Admini is silent, which indicates something. Roolback: chance was good but not now

4) I can tell you even if the bosses would be max level, what exactly would change? People would still xp twinks which are most suitable for killing certain boss (a.k.a. as they did in old chronicles when they had twink mages 76+ for valakas, 76+ destros for tezza, etc.), except that first initial fight would happen with main characters, which are often brought even in lowbie epics, so i dont think there is big difference. 5) It has real purpose. If you know your enemy is xping twinks, you want to make hell of their life, thus with such protection as u described, it would be impossible to do so. Also sometimes randoms can piss you as well (e.g. they will come to your spot and try to pick up adena, make some damage on trains, flame you in towns), so why not pking them as well to show them not to get on high horse next time. Changing or adding these kind of features can harm the gameplay actually. So best option i would suggest is that people who are getting harassed should try to get the zoom patch, so they can see higher lvl character from the bigger distance so they can react properly to it.

You are the most talented Cameraman at L2 Classic Club for sure ... Stiba007 >BigBrother

ok, i dont want to react for this... but... All what u see on screen is the 2 members of Stiba's party (hunting down with 2+ parties) and then they are wondering why we reloging... that's why... Call more often for fair pvp, call more often for any pvp... We were there 3 of us (Poseidon, Stiba, me - Lafi) and btw it's night for us, so yeah, we will continue to doing this every night...

Dude from 40 to 55 I died like 15 times to that guy, I made macros to find him. I want to slap him in the face, for real dude.

Several ppl explaned it to you already. This question is asked so many times already and U didnt bother to use search. Your puller can use zoom to see stunners before they stun and do rr. Also u can use a cameras to see if your enemy is going to your spot. PK 40+ with 70+ chars is stupid., cause it will take time to clear his karma and PKs in floran. Ppl cant do this all the time. And you are getting your % back from 1-2 trains anyway. If your enemy doing such a stupid sh1t - you should be HAPPY. The problem - you are not trying to adjust yourself to the enviroment.

CHNDaye ftw... the guardian angel of FOM

Abyss Walker and Baium, painted in the style of anime and comics

From what I see as the current results, the work on 2.0 have been going like this:

do us the favor and quit, i beg u.

A vintage entry for the Wallpaper Contest :):