Olympiad state and plans

[Koll 1233]

Dear players.

We would like to discuss the situation with the Olympiad on Dion and TI and further actions.

Users reported a long search for matches and that it is necessary to log alt accounts. Further discussions and actions on the Olympiad included discussions of increasing the requirements for participation in order to filter out the alt accounts (unfortunately, most likely this will only help for a short time until the players level alts up). Or a check for HWID, so that only 1 character can be registered from one computer (the problem is that some players have more than one computer and this change will give them an advantage).

Our further actions:
1) The current season will end with the settings set now. So that everyone has the same conditions and "someone made it, but I didn't" could not be used.
2) At the moment, for the next season we are discussing:
- Return to the standard settings (until the conditions are created that satisfy both you and us).
- Changing the number of days of the Olympiad (the Olympiad will be held only on Saturday). Given the fairly narrow framework, players will not be able to split into groups (currently, this is a group of those who go to the Olympiad on Friday and those who go to the Olympiad on Saturday). Saturday was chosen because the next day is Sunday (thereby we adapt to those who work on Saturday and those who may not have time to return from work on Friday).

We welcome you to join the discussion and express your opinion.

[PJR 14]

I'm in favor of fighting only on Saturdays.

[OnlyMJ 0]

1.Saturday

2.hero weapon damage is too low.

3.Titan and Necro are too powerful(Oly)

[archa 7]

only 1 character can be registered from one computer sounds like a good method

oly become a farm spot not only now but also in the past years,we can send all boxes in the waves to make sure our pretenders join in ez waves,

the problem was players cant enjoy high quality matches,most matches were very boring and annoying

the problem you concern about theose players who have more than 1pc is not a big deal,we can send 10char in pc now and most players only 1pc

the problems you need to solve are:

1:too many low quality matches

2:players too ez to avoid compition,too ez to join these waves under their control

 

 

[archa 7]

btw,there are too many changes to aviod competition,

such like make HB/FI cant gate,too many big maps

[archa 7]

2 minutes ago, archa said:

only 1 character can be registered from one computer sounds like a good method

oly become a farm spot not only now but also in the past years,we can send all boxes in the waves to make sure our pretenders join in ez waves,

the problem was players cant enjoy high quality matches,most matches were very boring and annoying

the problem you concern about theose players who have more than 1pc is not a big deal,we can send 10char in pc now and most players only 1pc

the problems you need to solve are:

1:too many low quality matches

2:players too ez to avoid compition,too ez to join these waves under their control

 

 

I hope all real good oly players just join 1or 2 waves to make the matches wonderful and players pay attention on every match

[archa 7]

anyway,its good to notice us before you guys to make any change,I still remember you guys just add lv4 epics without any communication,that update almost killed our club

[Sensei 460]

1 day per week seems appropriate with given population, it can force those who want hero to play the whole day and mix in waves with enemies, not mindlesly wait for their own box to restart.

Edited November 26 by Sensei

[Zeperios 19]

13 hours ago, archa said:

I hope all real good oly players just join 1or 2 waves to make the matches wonderful and players pay attention on every match

This is not a good solution. Sadly the admins are doing a very challenging task of trying to balance 2 different servers with similar changes.

I do not play on Dion, but heard the cubic LoS change was because of Dion problems with kitty cubic. This is an example of broad changes to 2 servers that have HUGE difference of impact. Kitty dominating Dion oly, kitty and SM were competitive on TI. I'm assuming kitty is beatable on Dion now, and SM and kitty are now mid-tier on TI but with 0% chance of beating necro.

I would advice caution of having only 1 day of oly at least on TI server for 2 (maybe 3) reasons. 1) NECRO 2) DA 3) lack of class diversity. If there is only 1 day of oly there is ONLY time to play your main character's max games, maybe a few more games on another character. Many people have min/maxed their main character overtime and in pairing with admin's allowing class transfer there is huge numbers of 82+ necros on TI. This is a unique problem because Dion does not have 82 debuffs yet. 82 debuffs from necro are WAY too strong and make necro as busted in oly as 1.0, if not worse because the added debuffs. Necro on TI is 100% not fun to play against, and if changes are made to focus all of those characters onto 1 day and into a few waves, almost no one will have fun.

The new system has pros and cons....With waves being size of 10, it is possible to queue your own wave, but if games are flowing there is also a chance that in the 3 seconds to queue all 10 boxes someone else had characters in and you dont have full feed wave. This means that sometimes you get boxes and sometimes you get someone's pretender that was trying to feed. This allows exciting games, but again is very random when it occurs. However, because you can make so many feed waves there are lots of people hiding very deep in waves and never playing competitive games which is not engaging either.

 

I do not know how easy / viable it would be implement retail's old class specific oly that starts wave @ 4 people of same class, but if Friday was class based and Saturday was open that would allow for a bit of both worlds on game quality and quantity. Make it so missing Friday means enemy could feed class high and you have to catch back up in open, or you show up on Friday and have hero matches. There is a balancing act because you dont want people to decide oly only in feed waves of same class so maybe Friday matches are limited to 10 or something?

 

Ultimately, I think more communication from @Koll is needed for a good community discussion. We want games to pop and not sit at oly manager for 2+ hrs with no games, but we also want to be able to fight each other, not just boxes, and hope that server RNG means you got the highest points in feeding contest.

 

P.S. as another idea/solution is there a way to adjust oly points per game instead of maxed at 10? This could allow quicker point swings and encourage people to play hero contesting characters into risky scenarios in order to get more points? This gives high quality games and hopefully encourages more games in order to make-up points lost.

[SQS 0]

If you can't check your competitor's match record,
a lot of things will be solved
because you have to focus only on your match until the end.

[archa 7]

I think set a limit on waves will also be helpful,only 2 waves can be started at the same time.

about the number to start 1wave,I think 16-20 is acceptable for now,after merge the number should be 24-30

I agree with that ideal to block checking others players' condition

[Lykra 7]

It’s important to realize the state/tier of Olympiad is different on Dion/TI.

On TI my tier list would essentially be…

DA >= Necro > Titan > summoners > all others.

Fear is crazy overpowered but Titan fear no longer lands on TI.

I assume this differs slightly from Dion especially considering summoners/cubics were just nerfed clearly for Dion as summoners aren’t that crazy anymore on TI. If the idea is to balance both servers the same it would make more sense to balance TI if Dion will eventually merge into it…

I know fear has been nerfed before but it’s still absolutely insane. 84 DA fear almost doesn’t resist. I get feared on guts versus 82 necro fear too as 85 character. Someone explain that…?

[SQS 0]

It is set so that the match opponents cannot know each other.

The point is to not know if they are our allies or enemies.

To be a hero, you have to have a great match with all your opponents.

[이진언 0]

It's only good to do it on Saturday.
Most of the people who participated in the Olympics are Chinese and Korean users. I hope that the time of the Olympics will be accelerated with the siege.

[김남효 0]

올림피아드의 일수를 변경합니다(올림피아드는 토요일에만 개최됩니다)

그리고.

가능하다면..

올림피아도 지금보다 훨씬 더 빠른 시간에 열리기를 희망합니다.

 

Edited November 27 by 김남효
내용 추가.

[utangka 0]

Saturday is good.

One day olympiad is good.

[crow4 0]

Does it need to be weekly? 
What about twice a month?
Three hours and 40 minutes is pretty exhausting.
How about shortening the duration of the game? Consider accelerating the time?
Consider organizing a meetup for similar classes. Healer classes are not fun

[Lykra 7]

Personally prefer the flexibility of 2-day Olympiad. There are a lot of weeks when playing one day or the other is difficult.

[Zeperios 19]

I think going 1 day only will have a result opposite of the intention of oly.  Participation in oly is supposed to be for nearly only 1 goal, to be hero.  Hero characters are designated on whole server wide system and given extra glow to be identified.  Heroes are supposed to be the STRONGEST characters in the game (clan strength fed them, enforcer took themself, or just best player). Going only 1 day per week means that any emergency could force someone to miss oly and not be hero.  That could be regarded as good that there is diversity and someone else wins, but it’s not really the point that you have to play this game 100%.  2 day oly allows people to come either day or 1/2 of both.  It allows better players and games the whole time. 

[archa 7]

the problems you need to solve is 

1.too many low quality matches

2.ppl always want to control waves to avoid competion,the best condition is all players join radom matches not the waves under their control

3.its hard to start oly in the first and second week,but its not due to any bad settings,its due to not enough ppl playing in our club

 

before you figure out which goal is your real goal,plz return to the standard settings

its hard for GM to admit mistakes and failure,but the fact is your group made too many changes without any commucation and made ppl left our club,all these jobs you doing now seems like fixing.

your group should be very careful about any update,these changes cant make everyone feel happy,these ppl who feel unhappy just quit after update.

the settings in our club still the best in the world,but too many ppl left already,it made us in a bad circle,'ppl feel unhappy about these changes,they left,these players still playing here feel boring due to the number of players,then they left too'

[KpeaTuB 26]

Some players from our clan from Ukraine and Russia often have their lights turned off, problems with electricity in the evenings, sometimes we can't go to the Olympics because of this, if it's will be only 1 day a week, we might not be able to participate at all.

Edited November 29 by KpeaTuB

[Koll 1233]

https://l2classic.club/forum/topic/105258-decision-on-olympiad/

Dear players!

We have made a decision about the Olympiad. When making this decision, we also took into account the information received from you, namely: to go to the Olympiad with more than one character, there is a fear that it will be difficult to make all 30 matches in one day. We also understand that possible plans of Olympiad limitation to one day will force you to definitely put this time for the Olympiad.

For these reasons, at the moment, the Olympiad will be returned to the conditions:
- The Olympiad takes place on Friday and Saturday for 4 hours.
- To launch the Olympiad, 20 people are needed.

We will continue to look for options and ways to bring the Olympiad to better rules that will suit either everyone or the majority.

[Setzer 172]

1 hour for 3 fights, just return as it was last month on Dion.

TI i dont know because i dont play there.

Reduce the number of players per wave like 12-14 and try to find a way to limit by IP the players on oly hours.

[Lykra 7]

We got 30 games but it died as soon as people got 30 on their mains. Only 75 unique participants so far that I saw. Seems to be a preference thing, some people like the slower oly.