Armor/Weapon parts/full drop chance bug

[MarilynMonroe 6]

Okay as there is a lot of specilation on discord about shadow nerf for full drop/parts chance, I went to farm to check it out. Here is what i found out:

- I farmed drakes on DV 
- counted every mob i kill 
- I farmed light red mobs - no drop penalty

- i killed similar amount of slow and fast drakes

- checked Database chances:

- there are 2 types of mob, one has 1% chance, the other has 1/200 for shaft (on average 1/150) -  as its wapon part we suspect it has bugged chance
- Also 1 drake has leather drop rate 8% and another 0% (on average 4%)
- Also 1 drake has ghost gloves part 4% chance and another drake 0% (on average 2% chance) - as its armor part we suspect it has bugged chance
- Animal skin (1 mob has chance 32% and amount 1-3, 2nd mob has chance 16% and amount 1-3) - on average we get 24% chance to get 2 animal skins

- I farmed almost 3h, in total i killed 400 drakes, put all of mentioned above drops to one char to count what is result of farm

What was expected result for 400 mobs :
- Emi shaft : 400 mobs for 1/150 chance - i expected to get 2 or 3
- Leather: 400 mobs for 4% chance - 16 leather
- ghost gloves part: 400 mobs for 4% chance - 16 parts
- Animal skin: 400 mobs for 24% chance to get 2 animal skin - 192 animal skin

Okay what pattern we can see here:

We can see expected amount of leather is same as ghost gloves

now lets see what ive got:
- emi shaft 1 (expected 3)

- leather 17 (expected 16)

- ghost gloves part 1! (expected 16!!!!) - the same drop rate leather dropped 17x while gloves only once

- animal skin 196 (expected 192)

Conclusions:
- I was surprised how close it dropped amount of mats was to what is expected to get from math calculations and database info. 
(dropped 17 leather - expected 16, 196 animal skin - expected 192)
- Parts drop is TOTALLY BROKEN. It looks like i was very lucky to get this 1 emi shaft after killing 400 mobs.
- Its hard to estimate how much broken parts/full drop is but if we take example of ghost gloves it looks like chance is 16x lower than it should
- Looks like admins did shadow change (didnt announce anywhere) and gossips on discord have strong background on facts

Looking for feedback from admins what is going to be done with this. Emi shafts already fo for 1.5kk each on market

@San0 @Kse @Koll

P.S

forgot to add, i counted also EAC which has exactly the same chance in db as emi shaft
Ive got 7 eac and only 1 emi shaft
3 eac here

and 4 went into item

 

Edited February 9, 2023 by MarilynMonroe

[RoolBack 150]

Good, let it a bit harder a bit.

[BenQQ 11]

parts of armor and weapons are more difficult to obtain. I think this is right.

[Amorfius 35]

15 hours ago, MarilynMonroe said:

Хорошо, так как есть много предположений о разногласиях по поводу теневого нерфа для полного шанса дропа / частей, я пошел на ферму, чтобы проверить это. Вот что я узнал:

- Я фармил драконов на DV 
- считал каждого убитого моба 
- Я фармил светло-красных мобов - штрафа за дроп нет

 

 

You are doing everything wrong!
so ... from the monster monaushen gargoyle
4 types of books drop out
...
I got 8 books in 2 days
and all 8 books of sacrifice
and they told me it's a normal chance
so smile and exhale

Edited February 10, 2023 by Amorfius

[Apxipelag 0]

шансы дропа кусков\рецептов\книг\целой шмотки вообще не соответствует базе. играть может быть и сложнее, но глупость зашкаливает. простой рецепт ssc ценой в 1кк не обладает никакой окупаемостью, только если на дистанции в 3-4 месяца

[Koll 1233]

On 2/10/2023 at 12:15 PM, Amorfius said:

You are doing everything wrong!
so ... from the monster monaushen gargoyle
4 types of books drop out
...
I got 8 books in 2 days
and all 8 books of sacrifice
and they told me it's a normal chance
so smile and exhale

For example:
Shield Deflect Magic are book that drops from same mob only with same chance.
Sacrifice book: 78 books on server.
Sacrifice skill: 1 skill learned.

Shield Deflect Magic book: 92 books on server.
Shield Deflect Magic skill: 4 skills learned.

But based on your test should be 175 sacrifice skills/books and 0 Shield Deflect Magic skills/books.

[MarilynMonroe 6]

28 minutes ago, Koll said:

For example:
Shield Deflect Magic are book that drops from same mob only with same chance.
Sacrifice book: 78 books on server.
Sacrifice skill: 1 skill learned.

Shield Deflect Magic book: 92 books on server.
Shield Deflect Magic skill: 4 skills learned.

But based on your test should be 175 sacrifice skills/books and 0 Shield Deflect Magic skills/books.

Why no answer to main topic but to troll post?

 

[Koll 1233]

1 minute ago, MarilynMonroe said:

Why no answer to main topic but to troll post?

 

How many Adamantite Earring Gemstone you got? 
 

[MarilynMonroe 6]

1 minute ago, Koll said:

How many Adamantite Earring Gemstone you got? 
 

Didnt calculate. Checked only these gloves/emi 

[Koll 1233]

1 minute ago, MarilynMonroe said:

Didnt calculate. Checked only these gloves/emi 

You can only drop 1 item from armor/pieces group at a time, unless chance inside a group is higher then 100% ( which we don't have because it's wrong and server will point it out ). 
So your drop of Gaunlets piece can be swapped with any other pieces or even a weapon/armor that drops from same mob. 

[Koll 1233]

Few days ago I was testing report from 1 char who said he drops less then he should ONLY for his char. We transferred his char on test server and I was killing 500 mobs packs.

4 packs dropped 5-6 armor pieces, so I was expecting it to continue, 5th pack I changed method of killing mobs and dropped only 1 armor piece. I thought I found something and start talking with Kse/San0 discussing what it can be, then killed 6th pack same way as 5th one and got 5 armor pieces again. 

[Amorfius 35]

9 hours ago, Koll said:

For example:
Shield Deflect Magic are book that drops from same mob only with same chance.
Sacrifice book: 78 books on server.
Sacrifice skill: 1 skill learned.

Shield Deflect Magic book: 92 books on server.
Shield Deflect Magic skill: 4 skills learned.

But based on your test should be 175 sacrifice skills/books and 0 Shield Deflect Magic skills/books.

You did not understand me ,,,
Gargoyle can drop 4 types of books
what is the chance of getting 8 Sacrifice Books from 8 dropped books...
-------
others didn't fall at all.

Here I am also kind of tormented by the question of chance ...
1 book 1/4
2 book 1/16
Book 3 1/64 ,,,256,,,1024,,,
8 book 1 / 65 536
it's not even random - but a complete mockery ..

Edited February 13, 2023 by Amorfius

[Koll 1233]

10 minutes ago, Amorfius said:

You did not understand me ,,,
Gargoyle can drop 4 types of books
what is the chance of getting 8 Sacrificial Books from 8 dropped books...
-------
others didn't fall at all.

Here I am also kind of tormented by the question of chance ...
1 book 1/4
2 book 1/16
Book 3 1/64 ,,,256,,,1024,,,
8 book 1 / 65 536
it's not even random - but a complete mockery ..

100/31.25 = 3.2
100/3.2/3.2/3.2/3.2/3.2/3.2/3.2/3.2 = 0.009% or 1/11111

[Koll 1233]

Reminder book #4 have 5 times less drop chance ( 1/10000, compair to 1/2000 Sacrifice and others ).

[Amorfius 35]

3 minutes ago, Koll said:

Reminder book #4 have 5 times less drop chance ( 1/10000, compair to 1/2000 Sacrifice and others ).

when the 4th book fell to me, I wrote to the discord - they ignored me
when 5 fell and then 6 the book wrote again - again ignore
after falling 8 books - I was torn and I went to sleep
then he wrote to Sano on the forum in the mail and he said that the chance is normal and everything is fine
.
- although in fact ---- all this is complete nonsense
Spellbook: Death Whisper         -    0
Spellbook: Sacrifice                 -    8
Spellbook: Shield Deflect Magic  -    0
Spellbook: Stigma of Shilen       -    0

[Koll 1233]

3 minutes ago, Amorfius said:

when the 4th book fell to me, I wrote to the discord - they ignored me
when 5 fell and then 6 the book wrote again - again ignore
after falling 8 books - I was torn and I went to sleep
then he wrote to Sano on the forum in the mail and he said that the chance is normal and everything is fine
.
- although in fact ---- all this is complete nonsense
Spellbook: Death Whisper         -    0
Spellbook: Sacrifice                 -    8
Spellbook: Shield Deflect Magic  -    0
Spellbook: Stigma of Shilen       -    0

I showed you there are no issue with this mob. Because again, based on your test book Shield Deflect Magic shouldn't exist on server because it ONLY drops from this mob also. But there are more Shield Deflect Magic then Sacrifice.
https://l2db.club/?show=item_info&id=49427&tab=1

[Amorfius 35]

1 minute ago, Koll said:

Я показал вам, что с этим мобом проблем нет. Потому что опять же, основываясь на вашей тестовой книге, Shield Deflect Magic не должен существовать на сервере, потому что он также падает ТОЛЬКО с этого моба. Но магии отражения щита больше, чем жертвоприношения.
https://l2db.club/?show=item_info&id=49427&tab=1

I know that they fall - they even gave me some, laughing at the same time from what a loser I am

[Koll 1233]

1 minute ago, Amorfius said:

I know that they fall - they even gave me some, laughing at the same time from what a loser I am

It's based on your viewpoint, you rolled lower chance then they are 😉 

[Amorfius 35]

2 minutes ago, Koll said:

Это основано на вашей точке зрения, у вас меньше шансов, чем у них 😉 

you may have fun - but I had to buy a new logitech mx 518

such a drop chance should not be...

[Apxipelag 0]

On 13.02.2023 at 04:50, Amorfius said:

вы можете повеселиться - но мне пришлось купить новый logitech mx 518

такого выпадения шансов быть не должно...

увы, шанс выпадения DW всегда был ниже, чем в базах, и поэтому он всегда стоил огромных денег

[Amorfius 35]

On 2/15/2023 at 4:15 PM, Apxipelag said:

увы, шанс выпадения DW всегда был ниже, чем в базах, и поэтому он всегда стоил огромных денег

упало  8 книг сакрифице из 8 выпавших вообще... ...  в горгулье  4 вида  книг  у всех по базе  шанс дропа одинаков  
это каков шанс  дропа  85  %  а остальные по 5 %   ну смешите  мои тапочки
 

Edited February 16, 2023 by Amorfius

[MarilynMonroe 6]

Shadow fixed. Looks ok now, can close topic