BlackJack

to BlackJack, last time i checked u had castle CP bonus, but if u dont want to count that, lets see, u still would have like 4-5k cp+hp pool on necro, so for that PR needs to generate 9-10k dmg, for that he needs to be at very low HP (lets say 700 HP), and that leaves him with like 1900 HP+CP pool, and i am pretty sure necro can do that dmg in 2 shots (or even 1 shot with crit, which is not rarity at all) ​First of all necro has 2400 base hp with BOTB 3200. not 4-5k. Second of all are you seriously trying to make the point that the game should be balanced around having castle CP? If you are , I am done, since you a complete hypocrite and last but not least in importance necro is the tankiest caster. What about others? Also why don't you stick to a point instead of derailing anything im trying to say in another direction so it better fits the point you are trying to argue. ​i gave u example of not having castle CP bonus, also i said 4-5k CP+HP pool, which by your counting 1271 CP + 3200 HP = 4471 HP+CP pool, so i was correct its funny that u try to avoid using necro as example because its tankiest, then lets use also another archer and dmg it makes, or? FC is op in solo gangs, not in mass pvps or biggers cale pvp (even in 18vs18 its not so good anymore) ​Nope , you are using necro as an example because its the only caster that can survive a 5k FC. Get real. Keep derailing the topic please. Oh and btw according to this thread: https://4gameforum.com/threads/558860/ and the hotfix here https://4gameforum.com/threads/558590/#post-8169848 The base land rate should be 90% w/o MS , after the hotfixc that was applied there and was applied here today. The land rate with mental shield should be 40% and currently its 20%. The land rate w/o MS atm is under 50%. So at the moment it's: 40-50% w/o MS base land rate 20-25% with MS The way it should work is 90% base land rate 40% with MS lvl 4. What the hotfix is convert the mental shield to an additive bonus instead of multiplicative. P.S Modoy get a clue. ​Oh i didn't read that the tests were done already on the PTR with the hotfix aplied https://i.gyazo.com/2f53f2921569b86f9cda62a3b551d3c1.png THIS IS HOW FEAR SHOULD LAND AFTER THE HOTFIX WE JUST APPLIED. Currently it's 2-3 times worse depending if u have or u dont have MS.

to BlackJack, last time i checked u had castle CP bonus, but if u dont want to count that, lets see, u still would have like 4-5k cp+hp pool on necro, so for that PR needs to generate 9-10k dmg, for that he needs to be at very low HP (lets say 700 HP), and that leaves him with like 1900 HP+CP pool, and i am pretty sure necro can do that dmg in 2 shots (or even 1 shot with crit, which is not rarity at all) ​First of all necro has 2400 base hp with BOTB 3200. not 4-5k. Second of all are you seriously trying to make the point that the game should be balanced around having castle CP? If you are , I am done, since you a complete hypocrite and last but not least in importance necro is the tankiest caster. What about others? Also why don't you stick to a point instead of derailing anything im trying to say in another direction so it better fits the point you are trying to argue. ​i gave u example of not having castle CP bonus, also i said 4-5k CP+HP pool, which by your counting 1271 CP + 3200 HP = 4471 HP+CP pool, so i was correct its funny that u try to avoid using necro as example because its tankiest, then lets use also another archer and dmg it makes, or? FC is op in solo gangs, not in mass pvps or biggers cale pvp (even in 18vs18 its not so good anymore) ​Nope , you are using necro as an example because its the only caster that can survive a 5k FC. Get real. Keep derailing the topic please. Oh and btw according to this thread: https://4gameforum.com/threads/558860/ and the hotfix here https://4gameforum.com/threads/558590/#post-8169848 The base land rate should be 90% w/o MS , after the hotfixc that was applied there and was applied here today. The land rate with mental shield should be 40% and currently its 20%. The land rate w/o MS atm is under 50%. So at the moment it's: 40-50% w/o MS base land rate 20-25% with MS The way it should work is 90% base land rate 40% with MS lvl 4. What the hotfix is convert the mental shield to an additive bonus instead of multiplicative. P.S Modoy get a clue.

to BlackJack, last time i checked u had castle CP bonus, but if u dont want to count that, lets see, u still would have like 4-5k cp+hp pool on necro, so for that PR needs to generate 9-10k dmg, for that he needs to be at very low HP (lets say 700 HP), and that leaves him with like 1900 HP+CP pool, and i am pretty sure necro can do that dmg in 2 shots (or even 1 shot with crit, which is not rarity at all) ​First of all necro has 2400 base hp with BOTB 3200. not 4-5k. Second of all are you seriously trying to make the point that the game should be balanced around having castle CP? If you are , I am done, since you a complete hypocrite and last but not least in importance necro is the tankiest caster. What about others? Also why don't you stick to a point instead of derailing anything im trying to say in another direction so it better fits the point you are trying to argue.

​you still dont get my point, not everything should work the way it works on official. I already made this point, but people denied it since it was not mechanics. But actually there is mechanics such as VR that are custom made here for balance reasons.

Help me how? What you linked is irrelevant, i haven't seen any evidence on what grounds the admins randomly decided to fuck up debuffs. Necro fear already ~40-50% land rate vs mental, only DA fear had really high % with mental. So melees now have better land rate on CC and 3x the hp , how am i supposed to defend myself from a melee that crits me for 1/2 of hy hp with 20% fear?

​ I coudln't care less if its bugged or not , i created my char under the understanding that debuffs actually play a role on this server and it's not a mindless damage spam fest in pvp. When debuffs work 20% of the time, according to my tests, debuffs become pointless in most pvp scenarios and it's better to just spam damage. Making the game much less skillful and a dull boring test. I told you and even argued with you on TS that it's a joke to follow some official stuff, especially if they are completely broken as 5k fatal counters on robe users when the archer is on full hp. By the way this server hasn't followed official stuff since it's release to this day. Do you see any EWC's in shop? Cuze i dont. WHY? because it makes the game better. If they release spammable cp pots in official for 5k cp w/o CD would you want it to be implemented here just because? Also it's not my fucking job and neither is your to balance the game for the admins. ​https://4gameforum.com/threads/601448/ ​this thread literally has nothing relevant, because the tests are on -5 and -15 chars.

​ I coudln't care less if its bugged or not , i created my char under the understanding that debuffs actually play a role on this server and it's not a mindless damage spam fest in pvp. When debuffs work 20% of the time, according to my tests, debuffs become pointless in most pvp scenarios and it's better to just spam damage. Making the game much less skillful and a dull boring test. I told you and even argued with you on TS that it's a joke to follow some official stuff, especially if they are completely broken as 5k fatal counters on robe users when the archer is on full hp. By the way this server hasn't followed official stuff since it's release to this day. Do you see any EWC's in shop? Cuze i dont. WHY? because it makes the game better. If they release spammable cp pots in official for 5k cp w/o CD would you want it to be implemented here just because? Also it's not my fucking job and neither is your to balance the game for the admins. ​exactly, its not our job, its neither your job, its ncsoft job, so find that fear works different on official, make report and balance it also this 5k dmg to robes = 2.5k dmg to necromancer, which is roughly +- half of your cp, too OP i guess i am not saying necro fear works like on official now, but should be showed in what way its bugged to fix it ​1271 cp at lvl 71 pls modoy fuck off.

​ I coudln't care less if its bugged or not , i created my char under the understanding that debuffs actually play a role on this server and it's not a mindless damage spam fest in pvp. When debuffs work 20% of the time, according to my tests, debuffs become pointless in most pvp scenarios and it's better to just spam damage. Making the game much less skillful and a dull boring test. I told you and even argued with you on TS that it's a joke to follow some official stuff, especially if they are completely broken as 5k fatal counters on robe users when the archer is on full hp. By the way this server hasn't followed official stuff since it's release to this day. Do you see any EWC's in shop? Cuze i dont. WHY? because it makes the game better. If they release spammable cp pots in official for 5k cp w/o CD would you want it to be implemented here just because? Also it's not my fucking job and neither is your to balance the game for the admins.

42/100 no MS same level 70 fear vs level 70 char 21/100 with MS same conditions if it stays like that i want free transfer to another char or im quitting.

2.28 incredible skill and commentary P.S San0 gj on the FC "fix" it's retarded as fuck now. 1 Shot robe user on full hp, that seems fair, fun and interactive mechanic.

​because people who run the server need to make a living? its a full time job

​he has orfen and a single video doesnt have any statistical number of any value?

​You can level your dagger to 60 on raid bosses easily. Won't be very exciting but daggers are a bitch to level but worth in the end

​4 dd's is our normal setup

​seems u didnt get idea of the topic please dont spam here ​no i got it, it's just that they invested the money so they can have it. If you want a clan hall you should either bid one that opens up or buy it from them. Btw if you are a long time classic player you should know that clan halls are not worth as fuck here. Especially if you consider the price vs benefit. You could probably buy a few top weapons for your players for the cost of a bsoe and clan hall res.

you could pay up the pet clans and get a CH ? Just because you are more active than X, doesn't mean you should have the same benefits they earned automatically.

​I literally never saw an ES member this siege lul.

​You luckily kept oren.. ​the guy told u why your topic must be closed, but u saw only the thing he told about luck. im not suprised u took aden, u could take oren as well. u once said u better take less people with higher level, i can say u grandmaster in that - now u have more people with higher levels no hate, still nice siege. u were stronger ​185-190 VS 185-190 both sides, was a really good siege, this one and last.. every next siege is better! I didnt because wasn't fair the last poll, they were 2 splitted options as 1. We get that people don't like losing % at siege, so I chose to make a poll just with reuse time when you die and it's not a big deal. ​Problem with giving % penalty is some people won't show up ultimately making it feel less like an epic battle. No matter which side has more numbers I think ultimately the flag respawn zerg ruins pvp. With 40 mins left we made our final Aden push and actually got VR flag and had to split to castle and outside fight. Mainly ROK left outside and all they did was respawn zerg was till we were out of mana, utlimately making it unfun for both sides. 10-15 seconds is too low imho. 1-2 mins would be ideal. If you have it at 10-15 seconds it would still end up in a zerg till we win scenario. ​rofl, imagine how long 30s from castle npc takes, now imagine 1-2 mins resp. on flag, siege pvp ends in 1 s/d ​it will be faster to go to village ​Wouldn't that add more strategy element to the fights? Either go to village , return to the fight faster but lose position. Or wait 10-15sec more and remain at a better positioning? ​there are more things that add strategy elements, like reuse of flags and clans with castle who cant put flags. we can talk whole day about how is better or how it could be. i would play in all posible ways, importat that all sides have equal chances. ​They would as numbers are quite even at the moment. My main concern is numbers on sieges have only been growing and growing and with the spawn on flags being as it is at the moment, very soon it will be impossible to break through ( its close to impossible now ).

​You luckily kept oren.. ​the guy told u why your topic must be closed, but u saw only the thing he told about luck. im not suprised u took aden, u could take oren as well. u once said u better take less people with higher level, i can say u grandmaster in that - now u have more people with higher levels no hate, still nice siege. u were stronger ​185-190 VS 185-190 both sides, was a really good siege, this one and last.. every next siege is better! I didnt because wasn't fair the last poll, they were 2 splitted options as 1. We get that people don't like losing % at siege, so I chose to make a poll just with reuse time when you die and it's not a big deal. ​Problem with giving % penalty is some people won't show up ultimately making it feel less like an epic battle. No matter which side has more numbers I think ultimately the flag respawn zerg ruins pvp. With 40 mins left we made our final Aden push and actually got VR flag and had to split to castle and outside fight. Mainly ROK left outside and all they did was respawn zerg was till we were out of mana, utlimately making it unfun for both sides. 10-15 seconds is too low imho. 1-2 mins would be ideal. If you have it at 10-15 seconds it would still end up in a zerg till we win scenario. ​rofl, imagine how long 30s from castle npc takes, now imagine 1-2 mins resp. on flag, siege pvp ends in 1 s/d ​it will be faster to go to village ​Wouldn't that add more strategy element to the fights? Either go to village , return to the fight faster but lose position. Or wait 10-15sec more and remain at a better positioning?

​You luckily kept oren.. ​the guy told u why your topic must be closed, but u saw only the thing he told about luck. im not suprised u took aden, u could take oren as well. u once said u better take less people with higher level, i can say u grandmaster in that - now u have more people with higher levels no hate, still nice siege. u were stronger ​185-190 VS 185-190 both sides, was a really good siege, this one and last.. every next siege is better! I didnt because wasn't fair the last poll, they were 2 splitted options as 1. We get that people don't like losing % at siege, so I chose to make a poll just with reuse time when you die and it's not a big deal. ​Problem with giving % penalty is some people won't show up ultimately making it feel less like an epic battle. No matter which side has more numbers I think ultimately the flag respawn zerg ruins pvp. With 40 mins left we made our final Aden push and actually got VR flag and had to split to castle and outside fight. Mainly ROK left outside and all they did was respawn zerg was till we were out of mana, utlimately making it unfun for both sides. 10-15 seconds is too low imho. 1-2 mins would be ideal. If you have it at 10-15 seconds it would still end up in a zerg till we win scenario.

i got 2x boots 4-5 months ago as well, so it seems to be a repeating bug.

​in a non-ambush defenders almost always have the advantage. GF's.

​Your exp doesnt shine in my eyes also. I know its hard to kill High level OE WC when u CDL him for 1 damage :))) Just let those big level boys speak together. ​the CDL was issued before i alt tabbed to my SE to heal myself you stupid degenerate, Also my CC was cast first, it just got resisted cuze 68 skill vs lvl 72. If you are going to attempt any decent trolling al teast make the bases of it true, the way my ROK clip is. Edit: about your big boys comment, i've been back here since 5 days since i took a 4 months break from l2 and i am 69, in 2-3 weeks ill be highier than your sorry ass, maybe you should've exped some in those 4 months instead of spamming dogshit on the forum.

​I also got footage of the fight, from necro point of view in main clan, but i alt tabbed to box to recharge/res/etc and need to edit too much to just release the clip. Maybe in a future pvp video

​ladies and gentlemen your SR hero