Drop/Spoil list of Zaken Patch

[SpellG 10]

I was wondering if there is a possibility that GM’s/Admins can make a post specifying the drop/spoil of the new monsters from Zaken Patch of this server.

sometimes the L2 Wiki’s database differs from this server because of the version differences and all that stuff that we already know.

 

Thank you in advance.

[NaulVM 26]

That would be great.

[FryderykChopin 853]

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It doesn't really need to be all fancy, if it's possible then just drag all the monsters drops in some basic .txt file just so we could ctr+f in it... It would be an absolute bomb tbh.

[Chuka 2]

7 hours ago, FryderykChopin said:

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It doesn't really need to be all fancy, if it's possible then just drag all the monsters drops in some basic .txt file just so we could ctr+f in it... It would be an absolute bomb tbh.

Totally agree! having some raw text with the info will for sure lead to someone giving some of his / her time to the community and making that into something easier to read like there's in wiki ??

[FryderykChopin 853]

/upperoni

[SpellG 10]

/up. GM’s pls

[FryderykChopin 853]

/up @Koll

[Zultar 5]

Yes, please boss. That would be so amazing, just .txt is enough!

@Koll

[bsklakis2 47]

???

[San0 2419]

it isnt like we rly have nothing else more important to do you know?

 

do you even start to imagine how much time it takes to calculate drop chances for multiple items in a server that runs on official files and how mentally disturbing it is? 

its not like for us it says java style like you go to monster info and it shows "sop 20%" on the files.

monsters have drop groups,

each group has its own chance.

each item inside of the group has its individual chance to drop if this group is selected to drop

and groups have multiple items with multiple chances.

 

meaning, to do that txt file we literally have to go to every monster, check the individual groups, calculate the chance of this group to be selected, see the items inside of this groups, go for every single item in the group and calculate their chances to drop if this group is selected to drop, multiple and divide every item with the group chance and the % and only then we get to the chance of the item to drop in a monster.

 

now imagine repeating this process for every single items that drops from every single group from every single monster when there are so many more things to do.

im sure people on ncsoft have their own tools/workers to deal with this issue and they can afford to share it with their contractors to make their databases and so on but unfortunately we dont have the money or the human resources for this kind of thing. 

 

is something that i might work on later, but it will for sure not be done while theres other problms to solve.

[Zultar 5]

Damn, didn't realise it is THAT complicated.

However would it be simpler to make bare list  without any %? Cause I don't even know which mob to try if for example I would like to get rec: mj light armor.

Thanks in advance, boss.

[Donkihot 114]

we dont need % of item. Just what does that mob even than? sop? bones? enria, mold glue etc, we know that casuals mats has more chances, enra and sop will have less chances, recipes even less. But if even this takes to much time, forget it. Fix things u have to fix. We are really thankful to your team. gg wp.

Edited October 22, 2019 by Donkihot

[bsklakis2 47]

On 10/20/2019 at 5:50 AM, San0 said:

it isnt like we rly have nothing else more important to do you know?

 

do you even start to imagine how much time it takes to calculate drop chances for multiple items in a server that runs on official files and how mentally disturbing it is? 

its not like for us it says java style like you go to monster info and it shows "sop 20%" on the files.

monsters have drop groups,

each group has its own chance.

each item inside of the group has its individual chance to drop if this group is selected to drop

and groups have multiple items with multiple chances.

 

meaning, to do that txt file we literally have to go to every monster, check the individual groups, calculate the chance of this group to be selected, see the items inside of this groups, go for every single item in the group and calculate their chances to drop if this group is selected to drop, multiple and divide every item with the group chance and the % and only then we get to the chance of the item to drop in a monster.

 

now imagine repeating this process for every single items that drops from every single group from every single monster when there are so many more things to do.

im sure people on ncsoft have their own tools/workers to deal with this issue and they can afford to share it with their contractors to make their databases and so on but unfortunately we dont have the money or the human resources for this kind of thing. 

 

is something that i might work on later, but it will for sure not be done while theres other problms to solve.

Is there any chance I can get access to those java files?? I can come up with something.

I am a professional developer.

[MoDoy 1772]

3 minutes ago, bsklakis2 said:

Is there any chance I can get access to those java files?? I can come up with something.

I am a professional developer.

[San0 2419]

those java files you gonna have to get from someone who has a java server  

[bsklakis2 47]

1 hour ago, MoDoy said:

Fun fact a lot of us look like this.xD

[FryderykChopin 853]

On 10/20/2019 at 4:50 AM, San0 said:

it isnt like we rly have nothing else more important to do you know?

 

do you even start to imagine how much time it takes to calculate drop chances for multiple items in a server that runs on official files and how mentally disturbing it is? 

its not like for us it says java style like you go to monster info and it shows "sop 20%" on the files.

monsters have drop groups,

each group has its own chance.

each item inside of the group has its individual chance to drop if this group is selected to drop

and groups have multiple items with multiple chances.

 

meaning, to do that txt file we literally have to go to every monster, check the individual groups, calculate the chance of this group to be selected, see the items inside of this groups, go for every single item in the group and calculate their chances to drop if this group is selected to drop, multiple and divide every item with the group chance and the % and only then we get to the chance of the item to drop in a monster.

 

now imagine repeating this process for every single items that drops from every single group from every single monster when there are so many more things to do.

im sure people on ncsoft have their own tools/workers to deal with this issue and they can afford to share it with their contractors to make their databases and so on but unfortunately we dont have the money or the human resources for this kind of thing. 

 

is something that i might work on later, but it will for sure not be done while theres other problms to solve.

As @Zultar said, perhaps it would be a bit easier if you could provide this info without chances? The chances don't really matter that much...

[Dedinha 8]

On 10/19/2019 at 11:50 PM, San0 said:

meaning, to do that txt file we literally have to go to every monster, check the individual groups, calculate the chance of this group to be selected, see the items inside of this groups, go for every single item in the group and calculate their chances to drop if this group is selected to drop, multiple and divide every item with the group chance and the % and only then we get to the chance of the item to drop in a monster.

i got tired/bored just to read this

[Zultar 5]

Does anyone know what is needed to do that? Are the drop charta somewhere in game files and need to be extracted and calculated?

 

I will gladly attempt to do the mathematical part of the problem however I have no clue if obtaining the data is possibly and where it is or what does it take to react it.

 

I would love to start the Classic Club drop / spoil list project, as long as we can do it as players.

[Rip 697]

56 minutes ago, Zultar said:

Does anyone know what is needed to do that? Are the drop charta somewhere in game files and need to be extracted and calculated?

 

I will gladly attempt to do the mathematical part of the problem however I have no clue if obtaining the data is possibly and where it is or what does it take to react it.

 

I would love to start the Classic Club drop / spoil list project, as long as we can do it as players.

You can kill each mob milion times and estimate chance.

[Zultar 5]

1 hour ago, Rip said:

You can kill each mob milion times and estimate chance.

Ye, I was kinda thinking about anything, but that...

[edardna 7]

up +++

 

[FryderykChopin 853]

On 10/29/2019 at 2:01 PM, Zultar said:

Does anyone know what is needed to do that? Are the drop charta somewhere in game files and need to be extracted and calculated?

 

I will gladly attempt to do the mathematical part of the problem however I have no clue if obtaining the data is possibly and where it is or what does it take to react it.

 

I would love to start the Classic Club drop / spoil list project, as long as we can do it as players.

@San0 @Koll Cmon guys give this man his data?

[San0 2419]

no, only way is to go monster by monster. thought i left this clear on my last reply.

[Koll 1233]

2 minutes ago, FryderykChopin said:

@San0 @Koll Cmon guys give this man his data?

We are not planing to share server files especially files that are so important ( as npcdata that guy asking ).