A-Grade Weapon OverEnchant Bug

[Budesca 114]

Hello everyone !

My friend @Sensei told me that the weapons A grade were giving more p.atack than B. Then I show him how BOP+5 and  Carnage +2, two weapons with same p.attack, give the same amount of P.atack to the char. 

After, he demonstrate me how a    Carnage +10 was giving more p.atack to the character than a BOP +14 which must be false because the p.atack of the weapon  BOP +14 is greater. Then I made my own experiment: 

                            

So I tried many bows and I did the following table: 

Bow of Peril					Carnage Bow
Ench	Weap P.atack	Char P.Atack	Increase for+1		Ench	Weap. P.Atack	P.Atack	Increase for+1
5	456	2089			0	440	2026
6	472	2153	64		1	448	2058	32
7	488	2216	63		2	456	2089	31
8	504	2279	63		3	464	2121	32
9	520	2343	64		4	480	2216	95
10	536	2406	63		5	496	2311	95
11	552	2470	64		6	512	2406	95
12	568	2533	63		7	528	2501	95
13	584	2596	63		8	544	2596	95
14	600	2660	64		9	560	2691	95
15	616	2723	63		10	576	2786	95
16	632	2786	63		11	592	2881	95
17	648	2850	64		12	608	2976	95
18	664	2913	63		13	624	3071	95
19	680	2976	63		14	640	3167	96
20	696	3040	64		15	656	3262	95

- The p.atack of all the weapons grow on the same rate. (+8 p.atack on safe enchant and +16 p.atack on overenchant).

- The bonus on the  BOP is as intended, giving char p.atack on the enchants on +4 and above.

- The  Carnage bow, when it is enchanted by +4 or more, is increasing the char P.atack by more than intended. Every enchant is giving 95 p.atack to the char when it is supposed to give 63 like the  BOP. Every enchant gives the same amount of p.atack to the weapon and so to the char.

- So a  Carnage +10 now is giving same stats than a  BOP +16 when it should give less p.atack than a  BOP+13. 

- That means that for every +2 OE on your  Carnage bow is like you make a +3 on your  BOP.

Conclusions

A-grade over-enchanted weapons are giving more stats to the characters than intended.

[Narmontas 34]

How come is a bug If all weapons here gives fixed enchant value? And on every grade of enchant scroll description is the same? :)  Wow if not your post we all players might never found this bug although server is going not 1 year... 
 

[iAxZp 366]

a grade weapons have Agrade bonuses. its not bug  :D

[Armagheton 13]

13 hours ago, iAxZp said:

a grade weapons have Agrade bonuses. its not bug  :D

A grade bonus doen't exist in Classic; and this is a classic server. The bonuses is a normal l2 server feature, where A grade scroll provvide a bigger bonus that B grade ones

If those number are true A grade OE atm gives more power than intented for a l2 classic server.

How L2 classic works:

https://l2wiki.com/classic/Item_Enchanting

How normal l2 works:

https://l2wiki.com/Item_Enchanting

Edited April 22, 2020 by Armagheton

[iAxZp 366]

its not About enchant values u posted is about how A grade weapons apply on stats)

[Meskita 42]

Nice test 👍 imo try to remove epics and dyes so see if it changes anything in terms of % difference between same pattack weapons

Keep the good job m8

[Budesca 114]

25 minutes ago, Meskita said:

Nice test 👍 imo try to remove epics and dyes so see if it changes anything in terms of % difference between same pattack weapons

Keep the good job m8

Epics doesnt affect. What you need to check is that every +1 of over enchant has to give double p.atack than every +1 on safe enchant. In this case is giving x3 that amount so that its wrong. 

Also weapons with same p.atack must give same p.atack to the character. (Always if they are of the same type, because a char can have masteries for blunt and not for dagger/fists). 

Edited April 22, 2020 by Budesca

[MoDoy 1772]

15 minutes ago, Budesca said:

Also weapons with same p.atack must give same p.atack to the character. (Always if they are of the same type, because a char can have masteries for blunt and not for dagger/fists). 

about this i wouldnt be so sure if there werent some shinenigans which had some weird values when compared TOP grade weapon vs LOW grade weapon of higher grade, eventho the weapons had same p/m atk

[Budesca 114]

3 hours ago, MoDoy said:

about this i wouldnt be so sure if there werent some shinenigans which had some weird values when compared TOP grade weapon vs LOW grade weapon of higher grade, eventho the weapons had same p/m atk

If does not work like this its bugged. The p.atack of the weapon and the type is what tells you how strong it is. It has no sense than a katana and a samurai long sword have same p.atack but the samurai gives more stats to the char. If so, the p.atack of a weapon would be a joke to lie on begginers.  

[iAxZp 366]

1 hour ago, Budesca said:

If does not work like this its bugged. The p.atack of the weapon and the type is what tells you how strong it is. It has no sense than a katana and a samurai long sword have same p.atack but the samurai gives more stats to the char. If so, the p.atack of a weapon would be a joke to lie on begginers.  

who said that? have anything to prove this?

Edited April 22, 2020 by iAxZp

[Budesca 114]

3 hours ago, iAxZp said:

who said that? have anything to prove this?

who said that? have anything to prove this?

[iAxZp 366]

4 minutes ago, Budesca said:

who said that? have anything to prove this?

dunno whats the problem of a retired player. whats up, B grade items cant be sold on proper prices?

Edited April 22, 2020 by iAxZp

[MoDoy 1772]

5 hours ago, Budesca said:

If does not work like this its bugged. The p.atack of the weapon and the type is what tells you how strong it is. It has no sense than a katana and a samurai long sword have same p.atack but the samurai gives more stats to the char. If so, the p.atack of a weapon would be a joke to lie on begginers.  

i said top grade vs low grade of higher rank, i am not 100% sure and i am lazy to log on test server, but i have in my memory this kind of discussion from past (i dont remember result, if it was giving different amount or not)

for example you compare crystal dagger and kris, even if the weapon has same p atk on gun, i think it might give different amount in stats (not sure at all about this, maybe i am fully wrong)

[iAxZp 366]

28 minutes ago, MoDoy said:

i said top grade vs low grade of higher rank, i am not 100% sure and i am lazy to log on test server, but i have in my memory this kind of discussion from past (i dont remember result, if it was giving different amount or not)

for example you compare crystal dagger and kris, even if the weapon has same p atk on gun, i think it might give different amount in stats (not sure at all about this, maybe i am fully wrong)

AFAIK there should be grade difference between weaps even on same weapon p.att

[Cyane 230]

False.

P. atk doesnt have anything to do with if weapon is "same grade or not" nor if its "top" or mid nor low tier. Same weapon p.atk = same p. atk in status, thats the rule for d, c and b grade weapons.

Its not the first time there is a wrong bonus after +4 for weapons (case of b grade before zaken)

gj budesca

pd pd: this is true even when comparing apples to oranges (weapons of different type<fist/bow>, grade<d/b>, tier<mid/top> and enchant<+8vs+0)

 

Edited April 23, 2020 by Cyane

[MoDoy 1772]

10 minutes ago, Cyane said:

False.

P. atk doesnt have anything to do with if weapon is "same grade or not" nor if its "top" or mid nor low tier. Same weapon p.atk = same p. atk in status, thats the rule for d, c and b grade weapons. Its not the first time there is a wrong bonus after +4 for weapons (case of b grade before zaken)

gj budesca

the a grade weapons reported here is bug for sure, no doubt about it, about this low/high tier of weapons, as i said, i dont remember it well, maybe it was bugged like this in past but got fixed, or never was bugged, idk, i just remember some discussion about it was going on in this forum (if i remember correctly it was something like this topic but was about fists? like comparing pata and antro nail or something) ;)

[Cyane 230]

11 minutes ago, MoDoy said:

the a grade weapons reported here is bug for sure, no doubt about it, about this low/high tier of weapons, as i said, i dont remember it well, maybe it was bugged like this in past but got fixed, or never was bugged, idk, i just remember some discussion about it was going on in this forum (if i remember correctly it was something like this topic but was about fists? like comparing pata and antro nail or something) ;)

yes, i remember too, it was fixed