Budesca 114 Report post Posted April 21, 2020 Hello everyone ! My friend @Sensei told me that the weapons A grade were giving more p.atack than B. Then I show him how BOP+5 and Carnage +2, two weapons with same p.attack, give the same amount of P.atack to the char. After, he demonstrate me how a Carnage +10 was giving more p.atack to the character than a BOP +14 which must be false because the p.atack of the weapon BOP +14 is greater. Then I made my own experiment: So I tried many bows and I did the following table: Bow of Peril Carnage Bow Ench Weap P.atack Char P.Atack Increase for+1 Ench Weap. P.Atack P.Atack Increase for+1 5 456 2089 0 440 2026 6 472 2153 64 1 448 2058 32 7 488 2216 63 2 456 2089 31 8 504 2279 63 3 464 2121 32 9 520 2343 64 4 480 2216 95 10 536 2406 63 5 496 2311 95 11 552 2470 64 6 512 2406 95 12 568 2533 63 7 528 2501 95 13 584 2596 63 8 544 2596 95 14 600 2660 64 9 560 2691 95 15 616 2723 63 10 576 2786 95 16 632 2786 63 11 592 2881 95 17 648 2850 64 12 608 2976 95 18 664 2913 63 13 624 3071 95 19 680 2976 63 14 640 3167 96 20 696 3040 64 15 656 3262 95 - The p.atack of all the weapons grow on the same rate. (+8 p.atack on safe enchant and +16 p.atack on overenchant). - The bonus on the BOP is as intended, giving char p.atack on the enchants on +4 and above. - The Carnage bow, when it is enchanted by +4 or more, is increasing the char P.atack by more than intended. Every enchant is giving 95 p.atack to the char when it is supposed to give 63 like the BOP. Every enchant gives the same amount of p.atack to the weapon and so to the char. - So a Carnage +10 now is giving same stats than a BOP +16 when it should give less p.atack than a BOP+13. - That means that for every +2 OE on your Carnage bow is like you make a +3 on your BOP. Conclusions A-grade over-enchanted weapons are giving more stats to the characters than intended. 5 2 Share this post Link to post
Narmontas 34 Report post Posted April 21, 2020 How come is a bug If all weapons here gives fixed enchant value? And on every grade of enchant scroll description is the same? :) Wow if not your post we all players might never found this bug although server is going not 1 year... Share this post Link to post
iAxZp 366 Report post Posted April 21, 2020 a grade weapons have Agrade bonuses. its not bug :D Share this post Link to post
Armagheton 13 Report post Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, iAxZp said: a grade weapons have Agrade bonuses. its not bug :D A grade bonus doen't exist in Classic; and this is a classic server. The bonuses is a normal l2 server feature, where A grade scroll provvide a bigger bonus that B grade ones If those number are true A grade OE atm gives more power than intented for a l2 classic server. How L2 classic works: https://l2wiki.com/classic/Item_Enchanting How normal l2 works: https://l2wiki.com/Item_Enchanting Edited April 22, 2020 by Armagheton Share this post Link to post
iAxZp 366 Report post Posted April 22, 2020 its not About enchant values u posted is about how A grade weapons apply on stats) Share this post Link to post
Meskita 42 Report post Posted April 22, 2020 Nice test 👍 imo try to remove epics and dyes so see if it changes anything in terms of % difference between same pattack weapons Keep the good job m8 Share this post Link to post
Budesca 114 Report post Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Meskita said: Nice test 👍 imo try to remove epics and dyes so see if it changes anything in terms of % difference between same pattack weapons Keep the good job m8 Epics doesnt affect. What you need to check is that every +1 of over enchant has to give double p.atack than every +1 on safe enchant. In this case is giving x3 that amount so that its wrong. Also weapons with same p.atack must give same p.atack to the character. (Always if they are of the same type, because a char can have masteries for blunt and not for dagger/fists). Edited April 22, 2020 by Budesca Share this post Link to post
MoDoy 1771 Report post Posted April 22, 2020 15 minutes ago, Budesca said: Also weapons with same p.atack must give same p.atack to the character. (Always if they are of the same type, because a char can have masteries for blunt and not for dagger/fists). about this i wouldnt be so sure if there werent some shinenigans which had some weird values when compared TOP grade weapon vs LOW grade weapon of higher grade, eventho the weapons had same p/m atk 2 Share this post Link to post
Budesca 114 Report post Posted April 22, 2020 3 hours ago, MoDoy said: about this i wouldnt be so sure if there werent some shinenigans which had some weird values when compared TOP grade weapon vs LOW grade weapon of higher grade, eventho the weapons had same p/m atk If does not work like this its bugged. The p.atack of the weapon and the type is what tells you how strong it is. It has no sense than a katana and a samurai long sword have same p.atack but the samurai gives more stats to the char. If so, the p.atack of a weapon would be a joke to lie on begginers. Share this post Link to post
iAxZp 366 Report post Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Budesca said: If does not work like this its bugged. The p.atack of the weapon and the type is what tells you how strong it is. It has no sense than a katana and a samurai long sword have same p.atack but the samurai gives more stats to the char. If so, the p.atack of a weapon would be a joke to lie on begginers. who said that? have anything to prove this? Edited April 22, 2020 by iAxZp Share this post Link to post
Budesca 114 Report post Posted April 22, 2020 3 hours ago, iAxZp said: who said that? have anything to prove this? who said that? have anything to prove this? Share this post Link to post
iAxZp 366 Report post Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Budesca said: who said that? have anything to prove this? dunno whats the problem of a retired player. whats up, B grade items cant be sold on proper prices? Edited April 22, 2020 by iAxZp Share this post Link to post
MoDoy 1771 Report post Posted April 22, 2020 5 hours ago, Budesca said: If does not work like this its bugged. The p.atack of the weapon and the type is what tells you how strong it is. It has no sense than a katana and a samurai long sword have same p.atack but the samurai gives more stats to the char. If so, the p.atack of a weapon would be a joke to lie on begginers. i said top grade vs low grade of higher rank, i am not 100% sure and i am lazy to log on test server, but i have in my memory this kind of discussion from past (i dont remember result, if it was giving different amount or not) for example you compare crystal dagger and kris, even if the weapon has same p atk on gun, i think it might give different amount in stats (not sure at all about this, maybe i am fully wrong) Share this post Link to post
iAxZp 366 Report post Posted April 22, 2020 28 minutes ago, MoDoy said: i said top grade vs low grade of higher rank, i am not 100% sure and i am lazy to log on test server, but i have in my memory this kind of discussion from past (i dont remember result, if it was giving different amount or not) for example you compare crystal dagger and kris, even if the weapon has same p atk on gun, i think it might give different amount in stats (not sure at all about this, maybe i am fully wrong) AFAIK there should be grade difference between weaps even on same weapon p.att Share this post Link to post
Cyane 230 Report post Posted April 23, 2020 (edited) False. P. atk doesnt have anything to do with if weapon is "same grade or not" nor if its "top" or mid nor low tier. Same weapon p.atk = same p. atk in status, thats the rule for d, c and b grade weapons. Its not the first time there is a wrong bonus after +4 for weapons (case of b grade before zaken) gj budesca pd pd: this is true even when comparing apples to oranges (weapons of different type<fist/bow>, grade<d/b>, tier<mid/top> and enchant<+8vs+0) Edited April 23, 2020 by Cyane 1 Share this post Link to post
MoDoy 1771 Report post Posted April 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, Cyane said: False. P. atk doesnt have anything to do with if weapon is "same grade or not" nor if its "top" or mid nor low tier. Same weapon p.atk = same p. atk in status, thats the rule for d, c and b grade weapons. Its not the first time there is a wrong bonus after +4 for weapons (case of b grade before zaken) gj budesca the a grade weapons reported here is bug for sure, no doubt about it, about this low/high tier of weapons, as i said, i dont remember it well, maybe it was bugged like this in past but got fixed, or never was bugged, idk, i just remember some discussion about it was going on in this forum (if i remember correctly it was something like this topic but was about fists? like comparing pata and antro nail or something) ;) Share this post Link to post
Cyane 230 Report post Posted April 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, MoDoy said: the a grade weapons reported here is bug for sure, no doubt about it, about this low/high tier of weapons, as i said, i dont remember it well, maybe it was bugged like this in past but got fixed, or never was bugged, idk, i just remember some discussion about it was going on in this forum (if i remember correctly it was something like this topic but was about fists? like comparing pata and antro nail or something) ;) yes, i remember too, it was fixed 1 Share this post Link to post