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Go ahead, make a sorcerer and show me how you level up to level up to 60 in a week solo without a recharger box - I'm not sure if it's even physically possible even if you went 24/7 without a break, provided you survive such marathon without collapsing. You might argue that people should just make summoner instead... But then we're back at the start where we're dictating people specific ways to go which makes the game playable. Old L2 players just want to play their favorite chars, if you force them to play something they don't enjoy, they're just going to quit and join other classic server. Just that simple.

I'd also like to point out that just releasing Zaken patch is NOT going to solve this issue. This is only a temporary solution, because unless we solve the problem with dualbox locked behind paywall before the patch gets released, after 2 months top we're going to end up where we are now - old people naturally leave, and where they're supposed to be replaced with new people, it's just not happening because a) newbie don't pay 10€ to try out a server, b) the Zaken patch is going to fade away after some time so the newbie locations will be empty again and c) most chars are excruciating to level up without buffer. Also people are grossly overestimating the importance of Zaken patch to the newbie area - it's mostly going to bring some old folks back who left because they got tired with 2.0. How much impact it's going to have on newbie influx entirely depends on the advertisement but I have trouble believing they're going to put much effort in it.

. I never really liked the SV argument because a) Do we really have to force newbie to spend several days fighting with bots to pick else's adena? Like that's the only way you can actually afford to exist on this server? Are we forgeting that this game is supposed to be fun? This is like forcing people to scrub toilets with a toothbrush before being allowed to a theme park (of course in real life you'd have no problem paying the entry fee because you pretty much know what you're paying for - here, you don't) a) How many newbies actually even know about this technique? There isn't like an official tutorial telling them to scrub that toilet. People usually just play the game like they would on any server they played before, and right now this just isn't working.

You're probably not accounting the inflation of prices, the prices went up a lot since https://l2classic.club/forum/topic/3591-wts-col-20/ Right now the COLs are being sold at 250k. I can hardly imagine any newbie farming this ammount of adena while using shots while daring to buy at least absolutely basic gear (I mean even if you'd be okay farming with mid-nograde gun at 40, your farming efficiency just drops too much). Maybe some spoil setup farming on a perfect spot, but then we're not talking about playing for fun, we're talking about playing to barely afford existing. And even then, nobody wants to be forced to play at least 3 hours a day to be able to PLAY. It's not as much about longterm players as it's about random folks dropping by to test out a server. People really need to take the newbie's perspective: If you're an old L2 player looking to try 'that classic L2' (majority of players here), and you're thrown into a situation where you're forced to either a) pay 10€ just to try out the server or b) miserably farm without box in empty newbie spots, it's I think fairly easy to figure out why we have virtually zero newbies income on this server

You're mixing apples and oranges, man. I was here at the server start so I know how it was, but the thing is - when server started there were tons of people to play with, now you have completely empty newbie locations (if you don't trust me, you can go check them yourself). The difference is, back then the exping was hard, but since you always had people to play with, it was fun. But now, when you're forced to play chars like nuker or destro solo without buffer, it's not just hard, it's just annoying. It even loses its original 'hardcore' spirit, it's just stupid. People absolutely need that dualbox to be able to get to higher levels reasonably.

This is extremelly important truth that people, especially admins, need to hear. The dualbox ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO GET ENABLED FOR FREE to make the game playable for newbies. I've said it million times and not a single time anyone has come up with any real counter-argument - if you're a new player looking to play nuker or destro, the f*ck you're going to do without a buffer? The 3rd+ window can remain behind paywall because I can see it as a more premium feature, but second windows is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY and it NEEDS TO BE ENABLED FOR FREE. Also I'm not even suggesting they should just dive in with free dualbox and expect the investment to pay off in the future (which it almost definitely will because the server is going to inevitably die much sooner if the dualbox stays locked behind paywall) - they can compensate the lack of income from dualbox with adding some soft P2W stuff into shop like +10% XP/SP runes or whatever, or adding similar bonus to the premium account to make it interesting (perhaps best option for new PA would be a combination of both early-game bonus like a sort of low-grade shadow gun according to level with late-game oriented bonuses like said XP/SP bonus and Death Penalty reduction). The thing is - yeah, some people are going to get mad about the P2W stuff, but there'd be very few (if any) people who'd leave because of that. Meanwhile tons of people leave early game because playing solo without box and without party is f*cking stupid.

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Well I was just farming fortunately, but still, it's infuriating. This is probably the only server I've ever played with such a short notice. Seriously how much work would it be to just add few extra announces? http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/

For real I've been playing here for almost 4 years already and I still often forget about it - I know it's a regular announcements, but that's something that you read when you start playing and then never notice it again. I can't even phantom how many newbie raids got screwed because currently the notice is literally 1 minute. I've been playing on a million servers and all of them had at least 10 minute notice, so it can't be that hard to do so it shouldn't delay the Zaken patch too much. So please, give restart more notices, starting from 30 minutes, to 20, 10, 5, 4, 3, 2, and finally 1 as it is right now. It's 7 extra announces in total so it won't bother anyone, will help many, and should take minimum effort to do.

That's actually a good point, but I'm not sure how many people have access to PP+BD buff, people often play summoners because they don't want to pay for extra window(s)

I guess you're right but he'd most likely leave long before reaching 76 playing daggo without buffer

I'm about 50% positive this is San0's alt account to prove that people playing fighters without buffer actually exist because he couldn't find any in database. From those two I 120% suggest you to go with Tyrant. A) you get invited into AoE parties which is absolutely necessary for solo players and B) Once you get Othel rune (basically like Focus SA but you can put it in your fists too), ít's actually semi-fun when paired with Bison totem. Not like playing-with-buffer fun, but doable I guess.

Is this an actual spambot? This is probably the first one I've seen on this forum.

I don't really feel like this parable works here - in your situationleaving the serial killers would be dangerous for everyone. Meanwhile if the RMT's stayed, nobody would be fundamentally damaged by their presense - they'd simply be creating online which is good not only for PvPs but also some background stuff like trading (they still need to do some basic trading). I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying that in certain situations it's simply better to turn a blind eye for a greater good. About the number: does it include offline shops or fishers? If it does indeed include either of those, my point still holds, servers desperately needs to allow free dualbox at least for newbies, even if it meant adding P2W stuff into store. You should have your own data so you should know the best what's the newbie drop out.

Neither me or my friendki got banned in this wave, but... Is this really a good time for such purge? I mean, the server is not exactly thriving right now and every person counts. Yeah RMT is a problem that needs to be taken care of, but not in a time of crisis. What these people were doing was wrong, but when people keep leaving I don't feel like kicking even more of them is going to help much. In other words: is there any follow-up to this? Any plan to fill the empty spots? Something like "we got rid of the RMTs, but we plan to replace them by new people by enabling free dualbox for newbies and announcing Zaken patch" or something along the lines? Or is it just "yeah there are only few people left but now there's even less and server keeps dying, now let us investigate more instead of working on what's actually needed for the server"?

Probably stupid idea, but are you sure you've learned the skill? The dwarf crafting actually needs to be learned, and if you're autist like me who doesn't learn all the skills because he likes to keep the skill window clean of useless stuff, you might've missed it... Probably not, but still ? Otherwise I'd probably try to destroy the recipe or something and try to take it again ?

Yeah I'm also afraid it's not really supposed to work on oly... I remember some time back when I played on some High Five I thought that skill would be the best thing in oly so I leveled up the char only to realize they block the skill during oly without mentioning it in skill description.

Paging @San0 @Koll but I'm 99% sure it's allowed since it doesn't affect gameplay.

It's probably not against the rules, but I haven't heard of such modification here...

Well I'd like to believe that, but the server is at an absolutely disastrous lack of coding manpower because IIRC they once said they "don't trust outsiders with the files" (which I don't really consider a relevant argument because a/ such person doesn't need to have access to everything and b/ there're probably like hundreds of millions of companies that don't want to share some sort of informations and yet they hire employees because it's necessary to function), so even if all of them work on the zaken patch it's still not enough because people started leaving due to long wait for patch well over a year ago

Dunno man, I'm not inclining one way or another on this issue but I don't really feel like this kind of stuff requires immediate attention at this point