Shield block (how it works here?)

[kktnxbye 215]

Hi all,

I heared many rumors about shield block and I want to understand when it works.

So far I tested: dorf hitting sps, bow hitting sps, WL hitting sps, ES hitting sps.

For usual physical attacks it works (" Your shield defence has succeeded")> less dmg.

For physical skills (dorf\WL) i have different damage in ~25% cases for ~25% (for example ~75% of hits (skills) made 600-650 dmg, ~25% 500-550 dmg). No any messages about shield block. So- is it damage fluctuations (500-650) or it's work of the shield defence(but with no message)?

Interesting that with archers skills - shield block defence works properly (" Your shield defence has succeeded")> less dmg.

ES hitting with magic skills > ~150 hits = 0 skills didnt affect(all made some dmg, pretty same always and x2 on m.crits). No block of magic skills exists(on sps\sorc)?

How it should be on classic?

@San0?

@Koll?

[Kure 444]

4 minutes ago, kktnxbye said:

For physical skills (dorf\WL) i have different damage in ~25% cases for ~25% (for example ~75% of hits (skills) made 600-650 dmg, ~25% 500-550 dmg). No any messages about shield block. So- is it damage fluctuations (500-650) or it's work of the shield defence(but with no message)?

Most of physical skills have formula "ignores shield defense" afaik... 500-650 is just normal korean random in that case then if im not mistaken. 

[kktnxbye 215]

ty, I checked, all 3 wl\dorf skills I tested ignored shield defence.

Ok, so its korean random.

What about magic skills block? Is it just a rumor? Only passive skill "antimagic" (30% resist) works? Is it just cut magic dmg to you for 30% or it gives 30% do not take any dmg from magic (obviously from test it doesnt work like this)? Or its about debuffs land rate?

Edited September 21, 2017 by kktnxbye

[Poseidon 452]

12 minutes ago, kktnxbye said:

Hi all,

I heared many rumors about shield block and I want to understand when it works.

So far I tested: dorf hitting sps, bow hitting sps, WL hitting sps, ES hitting sps.

For usual physical attacks it works (" Your shield defence has succeeded")> less dmg.

For physical skills (dorf\WL) i have different damage in ~25% cases for ~25% (for example ~75% of hits (skills) made 600-650 dmg, ~25% 500-550 dmg). No any messages about shield block. So- is it damage fluctuations (500-650) or it's work of the shield defence(but with no message)?

Interesting that with archers skills - shield block defence works properly (" Your shield defence has succeeded")> less dmg.

ES hitting with magic skills > ~150 hits = 0 skills didnt affect(all made some dmg, pretty same always and x2 on m.crits). No block of magic skills exists(on sps\sorc)?

How it should be on classic?

@San0?

@Koll?

if u made tests when spellsinger hits target with a shield, then i can disappoint you. sps's skills ignore shield, so there wont be any "succeed" mesages.

rest - up to admins. 

plus - u didnt write normaly how did you test it.

[BlackJack 574]

1 minute ago, kktnxbye said:

ty, I checked, all 3 wl\dorf skills I tested ignored shield defence.

Ok, so its korean random.

What about magic skills block? Is it just a rumor? Only passive skill "antimagic" (30% resist) works? Is it just cut magic dmg to you for 30% or it gives 30% do not take any dmg from magic (obviously from test it doesnt work like this)? Or its about debuffs land rate?

projectile damaging spells are blockable, sps spells arent projectiles.

[Cyane 230]

Shield can block many types of nukes. Based in interlude i think this is correct

The Wizard class attack spells have been changed to allow the target a chance to defend against the following:

• Wind Strike, Aqua Swirl, Twister, Blaze, Death Spike, Prominence, Ice Dagger, Hurricane

Death spike, hurricane, wind strike and blaze can be blocked here for sure, havent tested the rest

[kktnxbye 215]

Okay, 2 ppl who can't read. Is it a coincidence? 

ES hit sps with aqua sqirl. Not otherwise. 74 to 74

Edited September 21, 2017 by kktnxbye

[BlackJack 574]

5 minutes ago, kktnxbye said:

Okay, 2 ppl who can't read. Is it a coincidence? 

ES hit sps with aqua sqirl. Not otherwise. 74 to 74

You asked how the overall mechanics worked, and i gave you an answer. Despite your terrible english and having a hard time reading through what you were describing, i tried to be helpful. In return you are insulting. Good luck further into the topic , i was about to post video evidence of how the mechanic works but now im out.

Edited September 21, 2017 by BlackJack

[Cyane 230]

Check this

There are many examples of aqua squirls being shield blocked in this part of video, check in 0.5 speed

Edited September 21, 2017 by Cyane

[Poseidon 452]

Just now, BlackJack said:

You asked how the overall mechanics worked, and i gave you an answer. Despite your terrible english and having a hard time reading through what you were describing, i tried to be helpful. In return you are insulting. Good luck further into the topic , i was about to post video evidence of how the mechanic works but not im out.

he is a russian one or mb from ukrain and thinks he is a good player, but when you talk to him you see how silly he is. 

so this topic is closed for me.

[Reaper 84]

21 minutes ago, kktnxbye said:

What about magic skills block? Is it just a rumor? Only passive skill "antimagic" (30% resist) works? Is it just cut magic dmg to you for 30% or it gives 30% do not take any dmg from magic (obviously from test it doesnt work like this)? Or its about debuffs land rate?

It even says it gives bonus for resisting, not blocking, but it gives that % to give you better chance to resist spell (either u can resist spell toget 50% of the normal dmg or you can fully resist it for it to give 1 or no damage).

[BlackJack 574]

4 minutes ago, Cyane said:

Check this

There are many examples of aqua squirls being shield blocked in this part of video, check in 0.5 speed

 

13 minutes ago, BlackJack said:

projectile damaging spells are blockable, sps spells arent projectiles.

Aqua swirl is obviously a projectile. As seen by this graph, any "tank" char that enough con to break the 52 barrier can vastly benefit from blocking spells.

It's hard for me to understand what kktnxbye means  in the OP, but cba to waste any effort for him as he can only insult even if ppl are trying to answer his basic questions.

[kktnxbye 215]

@BlackJack Thank you for your answer (I was too harsh on that), but I didnt ask about case when sps hit others, only what skills sps\sorc can block. And it's still not clear about projectiles - from my test no aqua squirls were blocked.

@Poseidon  I never said\think I'm the best player or even top player. It's all your false accusations. And you accuse me "how silly I am" when you wrote "if u made tests when spellsinger hits target with a shield" when I clearly wrote "dorf hitting sps, bow hitting sps, WL hitting sps, ES hitting sps."

@Cyane Tnx, so you think I was just unlucky with both shield block and antimagic in my test with ES?

[BlackJack 574]

Just now, kktnxbye said:

@BlackJack Thank you for your answer (I was too harsh on that), but I didnt ask about case when sps hit others, only what skills sps\sorc can block. And it's still not clear about projectiles - from my test no aqua squirls were blocked.

@Poseidon  I never said\think I'm the best player or even top player. It's all your false accusations. And you accuse me "how silly I am" when you wrote "if u made tests when spellsinger hits target with a shield" when I clearly wrote "dorf hitting sps, bow hitting sps, WL hitting sps, ES hitting sps."

@Cyane Tnx, so you think I was just unlucky with both shield block and antimagic in my test with ES?

are you sure you were facing the target? You cant block projectiles from behind/side as a caster

[kktnxbye 215]

2 minutes ago, BlackJack said:

are you sure you were facing the target? You cant block projectiles from behind/side as a caster

yep, i put attention to that

anyway, I will try to test other projectiles later, maybe I was unlucky or this particular skill is bugged

Edited September 21, 2017 by kktnxbye

[Cyane 230]

2 minutes ago, kktnxbye said:

@BlackJack Thank you for your answer (I was too harsh on that), but I didnt ask about case when sps hit others, only what skills sps\sorc can block. And it's still not clear about projectiles - from my test no aqua squirls were blocked.

@Poseidon  I never said\think I'm the best player or even top player. It's all your false accusations. And you accuse me "how silly I am" when you wrote "if u made tests when spellsinger hits target with a shield" when I clearly wrote "dorf hitting sps, bow hitting sps, WL hitting sps, ES hitting sps."

@Cyane Tnx, so you think I was just unlucky with both shield block and antimagic in my test with ES?

Maybe a visual bug, is common. Yesterday i was checking backstabs with 2 clients in one pc. The ones that seemed frontal and landed were actually from back when viewed from a 2nd pc. L2 misrepresents both character positioning and facing angle from different clients, i suggest you to check again

[ProGressive 740]

Ulialia someone used my video 

[kkthx 245]

5 hours ago, BlackJack said:

projectile damaging spells are blockable, sps spells arent projectiles.

when i saw topic by "kktnxbye" i knew it will be cancerous, but i entered it for this answer.

my god, 13 years of L2 and learning again new thing. Thats why was so good to play SpS!

my cancer editing vid  (but it was trendy back then)

P.S: but i heard some good mage player dajtovillage were learning from my vid, and some random newbie glad soil copied music and nick idea

 

Edited September 21, 2017 by kkthx

[JerrySM 329]

Thats work, that why i use homu+shield nearly 2 years. That why i am OP .

maybe after this topic homu+12 price will increase day by day

Edited September 22, 2017 by JerrySM

[FinalFen 23]

Regarding damage reduction, generally speaking if they didn't change it on classic, when you have a succesfull shield block that means that shiekd p.def is added to your overall p.def when performing the damage formula.

So if you have 500 pdef and your shield has 250 pdef then

• If you have a sucesffull block, damage formula will count like if you had 750 pdef
• If you didnt block the attack with your shield, then formula will take 500 p.def instead

I'm not entirely sure how it works when you are blocking magic attacks, but if I were to guess, I would say it prob ads shield pdef to your  mdef

[BlackJack 574]

1 hour ago, FinalFen said:

Regarding damage reduction, generally speaking if they didn't change it on classic, when you have a succesfull shield block that means that shiekd p.def is added to your overall p.def when performing the damage formula.

So if you have 500 pdef and your shield has 250 pdef then

• If you have a sucesffull block, damage formula will count like if you had 750 pdef
• If you didnt block the attack with your shield, then formula will take 500 p.def instead

I'm not entirely sure how it works when you are blocking magic attacks, but if I were to guess, I would say it prob ads shield pdef to your  mdef

spot on