Koll

 

​we not have it. From first post:  (facepalm)

growing up kid. They did bait to ban OCHOBA chars just because report without proof from ROK so GM asking them find out more proof somehow they contact to bait OCHOBA to asking about info of this account but the answer is SECRET price but its still not a good enough proof to banning DANKHAL and OCHOBA's chars banned by reason is he planning to sell chars plus ch to ROK not because they have proof that HWARANG bought OCHOBA char. DANKHAL was OCHOBA's char but where is proofs that OCHOBA sold char to HWARANG ??? And next, did we have proofs that OCHOBA already sold chars plus clan hall to ROK or it just was bait to ban OCHOBA but without any payment (like they said :V) and still just planning but seem like every plan started from ROK. The PROOF in this case must be payment bill with reason or let adding few more rules like this​ 1.6.1 Planning to Buy, sell or exchange ingame goods/adena/accounts for real currencies. 1.7.1 Planning to Buy, sell or exchange game accounts and characters. ​P/s: maybe it was lag or something wrong that I didn't see my post so I write to post it again here ​ ​It's not because he answered "SECRET" it's because he was making offer and was waiting to get money. Isn't it enough to think that person is trying to sell items for real money? He gave where to transfer money. I know that he doesn't get money, but it's more then enough to understand that person was trying to sell for real money and if he would find buyer he would actually sell items. Every offer are came from rok as i read all post here so read my funny story. So again what is real reason to ban Dankhal in this case, it like your topic or just like what u says now cuz Ochoba just trying to sell CH to his GOOD friend but dont forget a payment is done or not and if it done did u have all that proof about planning to do rmt between rok and ochoba before ochoba posted here or your topic just another one bait for him do mistake to approve that he did rmt? Ok let see what ochoba write above and check the time when they contact him. It really bait or they was wana buy it with ilegal way before they contact u?  And one more question who know all that proofs showed from rok is bait or just they told u its bait??? ​​I don't see OCHOBA reporting that they trying to buy for real money before he was banned.

​I already explained you: [Sat.10.12.2016 18:48:22] Игорь Абрамович: so, i need to pm someone for buying adena for real money. dont like a price. give message to you. and you get him in ban. and i go to next man for looking adena. this is work? [Sat.10.12.2016 18:50:25] Koll Classic: You need to PM, he must tell that he is interested, he must give where to send money, proof that it's was him in game and in skype and then - yes.

​ROK people was collecting information to proof that OCHOBA RMT, they wasn't planing to buy chars or CHs. From the other side OCHOBA was planing to sell chars and CHs.

​OCHOBA is RMT, so I understand why you are angry.

He is not OCHOBA, so no needed to do it with him.

Hello. Can you show screen?

After this we was collecting information. And still wasn't banning because didn't had enough proofs. Only few days ago we get enough of them to ban person.

​After this post we asked proofs:  

​hey this confirming about 2 side rmt without deal ​Yes, for 1 side it was "trying to get money for items", from another side it was "getting more proofs for admins".

 

This is OCHOBA confirming that he was trying to RMT: We also have this info in proofs that we have. 

growing up kid. They did bait to ban OCHOBA chars just because report without proof from ROK so GM asking them find out more proof somehow they contact to bait OCHOBA to asking about info of this account but the answer is SECRET price but its still not a good enough proof to banning DANKHAL and OCHOBA's chars banned by reason is he planning to sell chars plus ch to ROK not because they have proof that HWARANG bought OCHOBA char. DANKHAL was OCHOBA's char but where is proofs that OCHOBA sold char to HWARANG ??? And next, did we have proofs that OCHOBA already sold chars plus clan hall to ROK or it just was bait to ban OCHOBA but without any payment (like they said :V) and still just planning but seem like every plan started from ROK. The PROOF in this case must be payment bill with reason or let adding few more rules like this​ 1.6.1 Planning to Buy, sell or exchange ingame goods/adena/accounts for real currencies. 1.7.1 Planning to Buy, sell or exchange game accounts and characters. ​P/s: maybe it was lag or something wrong that I didn't see my post so I write to post it again here ​ ​It's not because he answered "SECRET" it's because he was making offer and was waiting to get money. Isn't it enough to think that person is trying to sell items for real money? He gave where to transfer money. I know that he doesn't get money, but it's more then enough to understand that person was trying to sell for real money and if he would find buyer he would actually sell items.

​I have to agree on this one, it really looks like borderline witch hunting atm... Not a huge fan of this all since the beginning. ​Please read server rules, it's basic rules for most of the servers. RMT is braking server rules. ​but why u closing eyes for rmt in some clans  ​We are not closing eyes. Show proofs - people will be banned. But telling "I know they was making it" - is not enough to ban.

​You was spotted on RMT, I can only say THANKS too ALL people who all this YEAR was helping us to block such people who are trying to sell items with RMT.

​I have to agree on this one, it really looks like borderline witch hunting atm... Not a huge fan of this all since the beginning. ​Please read server rules, it's basic rules for most of the servers. RMT is braking server rules.

ok, proof please at contact clan rok members with you.   i remember nolimit. they spam in giran GM HELP PERKUNAS. i think they wrong. bcs we all see who is "perkunas" here.  ​Proof = screen that we posted on forum in first post.

​Any other questions? ​​This is not my problem and I think I got enough info from this lesson. so I think we done ​. I wont thinking or planning for RMT ​I understand, but I must explain and show that we are not interested in ban people who play fair. Also we need to have enough proofs to ban person. In this case we have enough.

​Any other questions?

​ 1st. everything is on chatting so with "trying" u can ban more ppl? 2nd. Buy, sell or exchange is did or just planning to do that will get ban? 3rd. on OCHOBA post every deal and price is from ROKRizzo and ROKDevil so u got enough proofs to banned OCHOBA's chars and banning ROKRizzo and ROKDevil? 4th. how many char on their HWID??? and why only char from OCHOBA got banned and CH is set back to sell if u have enough proofs to sure that OCHOBA did RMT for his char and CH.   We have more evidence, but we don't see a need to publish all the data here! - ​from first post About "He was planing, but he actually didn't done this" - we have screen that also OCHOBA showed where he actually thinking that he will get REAL MONEY for items. Also it's stupid from our side not to prevent such trades ( because after he will sell items, we can ban only buyer - seller won't be already on the server and won't care about buyer was banned ). It's like not trying to prevent drug dealer from selling drugs and only arrest person who buy it. About "you see that they showed payment" - as I sad before they contacted us after first dialogue with OCHOBA and based on info that they gave us - there wasn't enough proofs to ban him. They started trying to get more info ( like an agents under cover ). This screen was NEEDED to show OCHOBA that they are actually interested in it and to become more trusted from OCHOBA side to get more information. And as you understand, I couldn't give any information before we have enough proofs, otherwise OCHOBA would understand that he will be banned.  

So? OCHOBA trying to sell chars + 2 Clan halls for real money. My reaction:  It's against rules: 1.6 Buy, sell or exchange ingame goods/adena/accounts for real currencies.1.7 Buy, sell or exchange game accounts and characters. I'm banning all OCHOBA chars - correct? Correct. DANKHAL one of the OCHOBA chars? Yes.  Chars past and future bind to CHAR, not to a PERSON who playing on it.

Also based on info that we have we are banning all chars related to OCHOBA ( DANKHAL is one of the OCHOBA chars ).

​Hello. Showing screen with opened paypal was needed to get more information and become more trusted from OCHOBA. This screen with PayPal was made already after we get first report about OCHOBA, but there wasn't enough proofs, so person tried to get more proofs. So if they really did RMT but this trade is between OCHOBA and HWARANG how u have proof that HWARANG already paid for this account? ​ ​Hello. They contacted me yesterday and approved it. ​​"They" is HWARANG and OCHOBA? so u bait players by banned them first then showing some proof of other player (just a some chatting at skype) and make them approved it ??? good job ​No. Please check first post where OCHOBA telling that "it's a secrete" how much he sold DANKHAL.

​Hello. Showing screen with opened paypal was needed to get more information and become more trusted from OCHOBA. This screen with PayPal was made already after we get first report about OCHOBA, but there wasn't enough proofs, so person tried to get more proofs. So if they really did RMT but this trade is between OCHOBA and HWARANG how u have proof that HWARANG already paid for this account? ​ ​Hello. They contacted me yesterday and approved it.