Kse 1838 Report post Posted December 6, 2022 Dear friends! We have been following comments about server rates very closely. Based on suggestions and it's discussion, we have a need to bring some important information to the light, so you understand why we have chosen rates to be x3 and not lower. Classic EXP table is very different from older chronicles (C1 - Interlude - HF) which people are referring to while making EXP rate change suggestions. Let me explain you how different it is with few numbers.Note: EXP values for other chronicles are taken by us while making tests on C4 official PTS files, first leaked PTS files. Video: On x1 Classic you need 3,041,801,165 EXP to level your character to level 70 On x1 older chronicles i listed above, that EXP will be enough to level 3 characters to level 76, 31.24% On x1 Classic you need a total of 5,963,335,189 EXP to get your character to level 76, so it is almost 6 76.3 level characters on x1 of older chronicles. So EXP wise even x3 on Classic is harder than x1 on older chronicles, and it gets harder higher you get. We understand that many of you thinks that lower rates number sounds more appealing (as you saw on other projects running on older chronicles), but we have been setting rates to x3 not because number 3 sounds funky or stuff like that, but because we have considered all the EXP difference and tried to make it hard, but not unbearable for some players. Here are 2 tables for you for more clarity 1 - C1 - HF Exp table. Numbers there may be not 100% accurate, but are very close, and our tests on C4 official PTS files confirm it. 2 - Classic EXP table, which was taken from official Classic wiki and our server is fully corresponds with it's numbers. 1. Level Exp in total Exp before lvl Level Exp in total Exp before lvl Level Exp in total Exp before lvl 1 0 0 31 5,231,246 675,450 61 146,308,200 19,798,547 2 68 68 32 5,981,576 750,330 62 167,244,337 20,936,137 3 363 295 33 6,812,513 830,937 63 189,364,894 22,120,557 4 1,168 805 34 7,730,044 917,531 64 212,717,908 23,353,014 5 2,884 1,716 35 8,740,422 1,010,378 65 237,352,644 24,634,736 6 6,038 3,154 36 9,850,166 1,109,744 66 271,975,263 34,622,619 7 11,287 5,249 37 11,066,072 1,215,906 67 308,443,198 36,467,935 8 19,423 8,136 38 12,395,215 1,329,143 68 346,827,154 38,383,956 9 31,378 11,955 39 13,844,951 1,449,736 69 387,199,547 40,372,393 10 48,229 16,851 40 15,422,929 1,577,978 70 429,634,523 42,434,976 11 71,202 22,973 41 17,137,087 1,714,158 71 474,207,979 44,573,456 12 101,677 30,475 42 18,995,665 1,858,578 72 532,694,979 58,487,000 13 141,193 39,516 43 21,007,203 2,011,538 73 606,322,775 73,627,796 14 191,454 50,261 44 23,180,550 2,173,347 74 696,381,369 90,058,594 15 254,330 62,876 45 25,524,868 2,344,318 75 804,225,364 107,843,995 16 331,867 77,537 46 28,049,635 2,524,767 76 931,275,828 127,050,464 17 426,288 94,421 47 30,764,654 2,715,019 77 1,151,275,834 220,000,006 18 540,000 113,712 48 33,680,052 2,915,398 78 1,511,275,834 360,000,000 19 675,596 135,596 49 36,806,289 3,126,237 79 2,099,275,832 587,999,998 20 835,862 160,266 50 40,154,162 3,347,873 80 4,200,000,000 2,100,724,168 21 1,023,784 187,922 51 45,525,133 5,370,971 81 6,300,000,000 2,100,000,000 22 1,242,546 218,762 52 51,262,490 5,737,357 82 8,200,000,000 1,900,000,000 23 1,495,543 252,997 53 57383988 6121498 83 11,844,000,000 3,644,000,000 24 1,786,379 290,836 54 63,907,911 6,523,923 84 15,472,880,000 3,628,880,000 25 2,118,876 332,497 55 70,853,089 6,945,178 85 19,827,440,000 4,354,560,000 26 2,497,077 378,201 56 80,700,831 9,847,742 27 2,925,250 428,173 57 91,162,654 10,461,823 28 3,407,897 482,647 58 102,265,881 11,103,227 29 3,949,754 541,857 59 114,038,596 11,772,715 30 4,555,796 606,042 60 126,509,653 12,471,057 2. Lvl. Exp in total Exp before lvl Lvl. Exp in total Exp before lvl Lvl. Exp in total Exp before lvl 1 0 31 12,162,655 2,166,843 61 1,047,311,009 121,569,674 2 68 68 32 14,713,777 2,551,122 62 1,183,577,349 136,266,340 3 364 296 33 17,708,475 2,994,698 63 1,336,187,067 152,609,718 4 1,169 805 34 21,213,445 3,504,970 64 1,506,967,658 170,780,591 5 2,885 1,716 35 25,304,463 4,091,018 65 1,697,936,136 190,968,478 6 6,039 3,154 36 30,067,485 4,763,022 66 1,911,306,680 213,370,544 7 11,288 5,249 37 35,599,858 5,532,373 67 2,149,533,465 238,226,785 8 19,424 8,136 38 42,010,312 6,410,454 68 2,415,323,168 265,789,703 9 31,379 11,955 39 49,421,366 7,411,054 69 2,711,646,440 296,323,272 10 48,230 16,851 40 57,972,427 8,551,061 70 3,041,801,165 330,154,725 11 71,203 22,973 41 67,818,553 9,846,126 71 3,409,398,455 367,597,290 12 101,678 30,475 42 79,135,431 11,316,878 72 3,818,421,441 409,022,986 13 141,194 39,516 43 92,117,896 12,982,465 73 4,273,257,148 454,835,707 14 191,455 50,261 44 106,985,763 14,867,867 74 4,778,730,308 505,473,160 15 254,331 62,876 45 123,986,756 17,000,993 75 5,340,152,664 561,422,356 16 331,868 77,537 46 143,394,645 19,407,889 76 5,963,335,189 623,182,525 17 426,289 94,421 47 165,516,618 22,121,973 77 7,138,805,250 1,175,470,061 18 540,001 113,712 48 190,696,911 25,180,293 78 9,372,198,366 2,233,393,116 19 675,597 135,596 49 219,317,613 28,620,702 79 16,072,377,713 6,700,179,347 20 835,864 160,267 50 251,805,374 32,487,761 80 38,406,308,871 22,333,931,158 21 1,023,785 187,921 51 288,635,909 36,830,535 81 150,075,964,661 111,669,655,790 22 1,439,215 415,430 52 330,338,848 41,702,939 82 279,783,329,566 129,707,364,905 23 1,948,497 509,282 53 377,507,026 47,168,178 83 454,748,284,485 174,964,954,919 24 2,568,850 620,353 54 430,790,086 53,283,060 84 673,468,617,187 218,720,332,702 25 3,320,625 751,775 55 490,916,803 60,126,717 85 1,548,349,947,995 874,881,330,808 26 4,227,172 906,547 56 558,693,890 67,777,087 86 5,922,756,602,035 4,374,406,654,040 27 5,315,161 1,087,989 57 635,018,116 76,324,226 87 12,484,366,583,095 6,561,609,981,060 28 6,614,929 1,299,768 58 720,879,370 85,861,254 88 22,982,942,552,791 10,498,575,969,696 29 8,161,929 1,547,000 59 817,380,319 96,500,949 89 35,581,233,716,426 12,598,291,163,635 30 9,995,812 1,833,883 60 925,741,335 108,361,016 90 50,699,183,112,788 15,117,949,396,362 Still, if you want it harder than what it is going to be with x3 rates, we are ready to consider removing EXP boosts from Achievement system and Strix. We will get to you with a discussion about it in a near future. Sincerely, Classic Team 1 Quote Share this post Link to post
Gabe 0 Report post Posted December 6, 2022 x3 without EXP Boosts is basically x2 with EXP Boosts. So simply removing all the EXP Scrolls from Achievement System and Strix is a good solution in my opinion as well. Just remember to also nerf Raid Boss EXP too ;) Quote Share this post Link to post
Solidus 3 Report post Posted December 6, 2022 (edited) Yep, remove scrolls or do w/ever you want, TI is dead anyway. Again I have to repeat that the success of Club is not based on some no-lifers joining the server and crying on forums and discord 24/7 and then leave when they drained the juice they wanted. Club is made by people who are not that much vocal & play casually but steadily. And what a better way to lose these players by killing TI, and creating a new server which will be unplayable for everyday people. In any case even if the rates are x0.00005, these few clowns that don't have a life will reach the top anyway, so why make it hard for everyone in the 1st place? 1.5 Chronicle x3 is already grinding af, hard and seems like a chore anyway. Make it harder? Say bb to most of the userbase. By now it's pretty clear that you're not even slightly considering of merging within the next 2-3 years. Please re-evaluate your approach and stop paying attention to forum and discord warriors. Edited December 6, 2022 by Solidus Quote Share this post Link to post
Pendragon 638 Report post Posted December 6, 2022 Remove rewards and strix imo Quote Share this post Link to post
Setzer 171 Report post Posted December 6, 2022 Lets remove the scrolls for now then. And maybe implement them on the Future for lower levels for easier catch up. It Will also avoid Power leveling on RBs with tons of boosts... 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post
Rip 697 Report post Posted December 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Setzer said: Lets remove the scrolls for now then. And maybe implement them on the Future for lower levels for easier catch up. It Will also avoid Power leveling on RBs with tons of boosts... Agree Quote Share this post Link to post
vitoraws 0 Report post Posted December 6, 2022 9 minutes ago, Setzer said: Lets remove the scrolls for now then. And maybe implement them on the Future for lower levels for easier catch up. It Will also avoid Power leveling on RBs with tons of boosts... agreed Quote Share this post Link to post
Pendragon 638 Report post Posted December 6, 2022 23 minutes ago, Setzer said: Lets remove the scrolls for now then. And maybe implement them on the Future for lower levels for easier catch up. It Will also avoid Power leveling on RBs with tons of boosts... agree Quote Share this post Link to post
Frozenn 3 Report post Posted December 6, 2022 Hard agree, completly remove the system and maybe just introduce it around 2.0 release date to help new players grow 1 Quote Share this post Link to post
ProGressive 740 Report post Posted December 7, 2022 15 hours ago, Setzer said: Lets remove the scrolls for now then. And maybe implement them on the Future for lower levels for easier catch up. It Will also avoid Power leveling on RBs with tons of boosts... Agree. Quote Share this post Link to post
MoDoy 1771 Report post Posted December 7, 2022 1 thing is total xp you need to achieve something, but with that you also have to consider how much xp you make how much xp can 60 lvl mage party pull on c4 in 20 minutes? and how much can same party pull on classic? pretty sure the number is not same and that you gain much more xp in classic, which means its not exactly 3x harder to lvl up on those 2 chronicles even if total xp is 3x higher removing xp scrolls is minimum what you can do, only xp boost which should ever exist are fishing stews (10%) and clan online bonus (15%?), and those are both 2.0 i believe 1 Quote Share this post Link to post
InAir 6 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 I am very amused by people who insist on making life difficult for themselves. In general, the community should strive to develop the server, and not to artificially slow down progress. It's strange to see so many people think low level pvp is anything interesting. Although it is obvious to everyone that, for example, support classes are revealed only at high levels. The starting stage of the game has long been passed by everyone many times. Does anyone really want to lengthen it more and more? Therefore, I vote for all possible boosts on exp. They absolutely do not need to be removed from the game. Quote Share this post Link to post
Rip 697 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 18 minutes ago, InAir said: I am very amused by people who insist on making life difficult for themselves. In general, the community should strive to develop the server, and not to artificially slow down progress. It's strange to see so many people think low level pvp is anything interesting. Although it is obvious to everyone that, for example, support classes are revealed only at high levels. The starting stage of the game has long been passed by everyone many times. Does anyone really want to lengthen it more and more? Therefore, I vote for all possible boosts on exp. They absolutely do not need to be removed from the game. According to this we could make server x50 and reach max lvls in a week, would it be a fun? A point of lowering rates/removing xp scrolls is to slow down progression and play server for months not for weeks 1 Quote Share this post Link to post
InAir 6 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Rip said: According to this we could make server x50 and reach max lvls in a week, would it be a fun? A point of lowering rates/removing xp scrolls is to slow down progression and play server for months not for weeks No, but we could just not delete items, which must be in game according to patchnote. Dont need slow down progress. Classic even without removing the scrolls is a very long project, for years. What you write about weeks is nothing more than sick fantasies based on nothing. Even if there are CPs with online 24/7, this will not give them anything. Such people quickly get tired of playing in this mode. There is also a high chance that they will be banned for RMT. Moreover, the rest of the players will still get to their level. This is confirmed by the practice of off-server, and the club too. The problem of the classic has always been the lack of full-fledged content at high levels. With your unsubstantiated judgments, you only make it so that you completely remove the desire to get to high content. Quote Share this post Link to post
Cobra 11 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 both me and my crew are fine with the x3 if the exp boosts are non-existent or minimal from start lowering too much the rates might scare some more casual people who are in the end also important to the server Quote Share this post Link to post
SeriousSam 11 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 i can get behind the x3 with the exp boosts being add later on and for newbies only, even later try to leave this stuff out of the higher levels so the gap dont get bigger and bigger. Quote Share this post Link to post
San0 2413 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 After many requests and considerations ALL exp boosts from achievement system will be scrapped from server start and strix wont give exp scrolls and her quests will have lower EXP reward. Quote Share this post Link to post
InAir 6 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 Mazochistic party win -) Quote Share this post Link to post
MoDoy 1771 Report post Posted December 14, 2022 On 12/12/2022 at 4:55 PM, InAir said: No, but we could just not delete items, which must be in game according to patchnote. Dont need slow down progress. Classic even without removing the scrolls is a very long project, for years. What you write about weeks is nothing more than sick fantasies based on nothing. Even if there are CPs with online 24/7, this will not give them anything. Such people quickly get tired of playing in this mode. There is also a high chance that they will be banned for RMT. Moreover, the rest of the players will still get to their level. This is confirmed by the practice of off-server, and the club too. The problem of the classic has always been the lack of full-fledged content at high levels. With your unsubstantiated judgments, you only make it so that you completely remove the desire to get to high content. according to 1.5 patchnotes, i am pretty sure xp scrolls were not a thing and were introduced in later updates, so when ppl say no to xp scrolls, they are not removing something that should be here according to patch notes Quote Share this post Link to post
PacketGretta 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2022 why so hard... Quote Share this post Link to post
Koliu3 9 Report post Posted January 7, 2023 On 12/20/2022 at 10:29 PM, PacketGretta said: why so hard... This server is for HardCore fans on Linege2 not for every teen who whants to comme and make som fun for 1 week lvling fast max lvl and abusing other ppl for youtube Video. Quote Share this post Link to post
Koliu3 9 Report post Posted January 7, 2023 When OBT will come - 3 days before server starts?Whe need time to catch up new implements and refresh knowlidge from before 4-5 years. 😄 Quote Share this post Link to post
PacketGretta 0 Report post Posted January 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, Koliu3 said: When OBT will come - 3 days before server starts?Whe need time to catch up new implements and refresh knowlidge from before 4-5 years. 😄 Listen hardcore fan Why do you need obt? Can't catch up with teen without the help of a test server? I thought so. Good luck, grandpa Quote Share this post Link to post
Koliu3 9 Report post Posted January 7, 2023 35 minutes ago, PacketGretta said: Listen hardcore fan Why do you need obt? Can't catch up with teen without the help of a test server? I thought so. Good luck, grandpa How can I tell you grandson, this server has a very different meta and coding than other servers. Things you won't notice because you're used to just pressing two buttons and answering to your party leader. And don't be afraid, I without a party I'll be much better than you, I'm glad you're concerned about my problem, but don't worry. I played this game when you were still in your father's balls. I don't claim to be one of the usual suspects, just I'm having fun. Quote Share this post Link to post
PacketGretta 0 Report post Posted January 11, 2023 On 1/7/2023 at 2:05 PM, Koliu3 said: How can I tell you grandson, this server has a very different meta and coding than other servers. Things you won't notice because you're used to just pressing two buttons and answering to your party leader. And don't be afraid, I without a party I'll be much better than you, I'm glad you're concerned about my problem, but don't worry. I played this game when you were still in your father's balls. I don't claim to be one of the usual suspects, just I'm having fun. So you can have fun on test server for ever, I think. Look, I can also press the keyboard keys, not only two buttons in the game. See you, grandpa Quote Share this post Link to post