they are newbs, hope they will not learn. Even if u pull agro on bd, u cant be one shoted, and after some agro OL or Bish with mass heal/cp regenerates bd. . And most of people skip bd, and dont attack him, our bd never uses + con dyes, and he has 600+ pvp, because he jumps on healers or other stuff, and with root+sting he makes kills izi pizi, like on EE or Bish. WIth hex and simple hits its a lot of damage, and for protection WC+SWS is enough. So it depends on what ur bd suppose to do. pvp on our server is low skills bro, watch some solid gvg. bards tank and enemy tries to kill them fast so they dont give s/d p.s.im not saing we are skilled Ye for mage party i agree, bd and sws have to tank. But when fight is mellee vs mellee is different well, we are talking about rok mage party