Hero skills changes suggestion - Poll

[Rizos 1487]

Ill make poll to see community opinion, mby GMs decide to change skills if most of ppl want it. There is also option of not changing skills in poll and 3 options of changes that ppl suggested in this topic https://l2classic.club/forum/topic/19473-hero-skills/
2 most interesting posts from the topic:
 

On 6/18/2018 at 1:16 PM, MoDoy said:

i had this idea like month ago (after the moment i knew our side will dominate heroes this month, i didnt want to try suggesting it when opposition was dominating with heroes coz that would just look like crying), but i think we cannot go full hero skills update just yet.

what i wanted to suggest back then is to have shared cooldown, but keep them 15 minutes - reasoning behind that - shared cooldown prevents mostly hero debuffs stacking for 2 mins of the fight, leaving you unplayable character which is facing wall or you cannot do sh1t coz you have silence, honeslty i dont have problem if heroes goes zerk/UD/valor during the fight, i dont think people mind those skills that much as they do debuffs.

why to keep them 15 mins and not 1h with shared cooldown? so there wont be fights like rush in, let enemy waste hero skills and then come back so you have skills rdy and enemy doesnt so he PRs after you use them and this sh1t fiesta that will prevent fights because one side has skills rdy and one not, with 15 mins cooldown you have them ready for every fight pretty much, you just have to be careful on who to choose fear, on who silence, in which order to get most efficiency coz it wont be 2 debuffs per hero anymore

second reason why is not every CP has many heroes (like ours for example), if the reuse is 1h, some CPs with 2-3-4 heroes will have them in every fight even 9vs9, and thus CPs with 1 hero will also have at least valor rdy for every fight which gives them really nice boost, considering we arent even close to official armor enchantments (on offi pretty much everyone runs with B sets +6++ or C grades +8++ or A grade+3-4), so not having valor in fights might be really big pain for certain parties right now (and thats comming from someone who plays char which wishes ppl wouldnt have valor ) 

tl;dr

if you want to change the hero skills, make hero buffs and debuffs (or only debuffs coz they are only annoying sh1t?) having shared cooldown, but keep them 15 mins reuse

 

On 6/18/2018 at 2:18 PM, Smajdalf said:

I must go Against you moodoy. 

I think you cannot even compare dmg here and dmg on skelth. There are too many differences. (When I move here from skelth i felt like i play completly different game just because dmg). and There is not many ppls with B+6+ Or A grade unsealed! (I know about 3 set so far and only one ++)

For example on skelth mage with wep+10+ will got 3hit kills. (here do less dmg which is PERFECT) and Titan with bow? Unplayable on skelth yet here Balu one shot ppl.

 

SO we should not focus What Oficial servers looks like but on HOW does club looks like and what is best for club. Making debuff Shared 1 hour CD and buffs single CD 15min is the best solution we can actualy find. It will force people to coop with debuffs more yet heroes will be still kind of independant.

Edited July 1, 2018 by Rizos

[blackmarket 60]

voted 1 even tho i dont play, but as i see it defends itself

[MoDoy 1772]

voted 3 coz CPs with 1 hero will avoid fighting for 1 hour until they have hero skills ready again = less pvp

15 mins reuse but shared cooldown = less cancer in pvp coz you can use only one debuff but you can try again in 15 minutes coz you have your skills refreshed

ps: second option is fine as well

Edited July 1, 2018 by MoDoy

[YipMan 319]

I dunno what style is that to avoid PvP while heros skills are on reuse. Then You tell that parties without heroes shouldnt go out of city xd ???

[MoDoy 1772]

1 minute ago, YipMan said:

I dunno what style is that to avoid PvP while heros skills are on reuse. Then You tell that parties without heroes shouldnt go out of city xd ???

people cry that we bring 3-4 heroes when they have 1 so they avoid fighting, now imagine after first pvp they dont have hero skills but we can have hero skills from next 2 heroes in party, who do you think will fight that? next tactic - let enemies use valor/hero debuffs, PR, come back with gate chant or w/e and izi win coz they dont have skills ready - they Pr/relog - repeat in infinite cycle

Edited July 1, 2018 by MoDoy

[Pepon 90]

4 hours ago, YipMan said:

I dunno what style is that to avoid PvP while heros skills are on reuse. Then You tell that parties without heroes shouldnt go out of city xd ???

same playstyle that u avoid game for a month when u lose heroes

[weeeeD 118]

Can i vote to remove hero debuffs from the game? No ? Then i //bsoe.

[andersondvb 30]

I dont have any problem with Hero Skills. My problem is with this stupid Hero Weapons.  Mages hiting 5k ~ 6k. BD and SWS with bow hiting 2k 3k ?!?!?!?!!?!?!

[Rip 697]

2 hours ago, andersondvb said:

I dont have any problem with Hero Skills. My problem is with this stupid Hero Weapons.  Mages hiting 5k ~ 6k. BD and SWS with bow hiting 2k 3k ?!?!?!?!!?!?!

Lol

[Yomana 437]

3 hours ago, andersondvb said:

I dont have any problem with Hero Skills. My problem is with this stupid Hero Weapons.  Mages hiting 5k ~ 6k. BD and SWS with bow hiting 2k 3k ?!?!?!?!!?!?!

Our bd hits 9-11k crit with hero bow  Archer hybrid

 

Still hero debuffs (mostly grandeur) are broken as fuck.

Edited July 2, 2018 by Yomana

[Stiba007 225]

Vote number 1

I know, that it will be suck for russia economy, sry boys.

Now it has to much strong impact in game to mass pvp and its anoying like pts with heroes only ganks on cd like tards.

PS: Next pull for event on PK scrolls pls, to much love in SV. 

 

[Sensei 460]

13 hours ago, Stiba007 said:

PS: Next pull for event on PK scrolls pls, to much love in SV. 

I was patiently waiting for someone to bring this up.
Oh well, too late, already 2,5k b.res on my alts.

[FryderykChopin 853]

1 hour ago, Sensei said:

I was patiently waiting for someone to bring this up.
Oh well, too late, already 2,5k b.res on my alts.

That's the spirit 

Anyway... Voted option (1) ^{since I'm not hero} 

[Rizos 1487]

14 hours ago, YipMan said:

I dunno what style is that to avoid PvP [...]

BizQQuit style? Fight 3 pt vs 1 , rr 3v3 . Let us get a bit stronger mby they rr 3v1 aswell soon. Last time we managed to pvp 4-5 min 1 pt vs 3

Edited July 2, 2018 by Rizos

[Nez 24]

What a boring CS yesterday, server lag, grandeur, server lag, grandeur, grandeur and again grandeur... why am I playing this class, when i cant do shit in pvp, the duration time of grandeur when u get 3 in a row... feelsafkman

for how long is that shit? 40sec or something? literally staying afk on 1k range waiting and watching football in TV

voted 1

Edited July 2, 2018 by Nez

[Rip 697]

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[Rip 697]

@Koll @San0

Are you considering it at least?

[Koll 1233]

10 hours ago, Rip said:

@Koll @San0

Are you considering it at least?

Need more people to vote.

[BlackJack 574]

1 hour ago, Koll said:

Need more people to vote.

why dont u make npc for voting like in the wrold cup final? not that many ppl visit forum.

[Pendragon 638]

I think vast majority of people would agree to changes.

[FryderykChopin 853]

5 hours ago, BlackJack said:

why dont u make npc for voting like in the wrold cup final? not that many ppl visit forum.

That's actually a brilliant idea and could be used for many more important changes/decisions. As long as it's only available from certain level, it's much less abusable than forum polls - obviously people can still log in inactive CP members etc (to which some kind of IP limitation would be nice, e.g. max 2-5 votes per IP), but right now anyone can just use VPN and create xy accounts and turn the polls single handedly, and unless the forum has some kind of HWID checker then the potential abuse is very hard to find out.

Definitely huge +1 for that one.

[MoDoy 1772]

you gotta work fast koll or rip cp will go on 1 more month vacation starting tomorrow.

also dont forget to still give cooldown to bresses from event so they are not spammable when you are at it

[Rip 697]

1 hour ago, MoDoy said:

you gotta work fast koll or rip cp will go on 1 more month vacation starting tomorrow.

also dont forget to still give cooldown to bresses from event so they are not spammable when you are at it

So far i see u are on vacation

[MoDoy 1772]

51 minutes ago, Rip said:

So far i see u are on vacation

thats just your imagination, rizos doing slave work to sponsor our CP soulshots and i am bored to lead CC, max our party and if you have too many people, its just meh  today when i saw only your party and some mix pt on 11 at start of event, so i was motivated to go pvp with our pt, but more ppl arrived so we just run with the tail between the legs  i have everything i need, no need more farming so i am here just purely for pvp

[Anytime 556]

vacation: done
mosquito bites: ~50