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Post seems long but its quite entertaining everybody were interested how it "ended", so here you are) shortly about the case Angerfist sent mail by mistake to my char R. till i was waiting for their response, Rizo and Angerfist built fake scam case (not without help of other "mastermind", but that doesn't matter for this post) Even tho fake scam case was very weak, its nothing new that of course admins decided in favor of "big players". i'm not surprised, and neither are you, because those "big players" keep server alive. Now shortly about "scam" itself: After finding that items were missing, Rizo asked Angerfist about them and Angerfist said he sent items to Rizo. then Rizo addressed admins to find them and he got info that it was on char R. after searching for the owner of this char, he asked Axzp and he remembered it might be mine. after my refusal to return items to war, they asked admins for reversing items, but admins refused to return mistakenly lost items. so Rizo decided to make a fake case pretending that Angerfist scammed. the only evidence they provided to admins was ingame mail written by Angerfist, where he says that he is leaving cp and his cp items are gone (mail was written after admins refused to return items lost by mistake) there was no other proof at all If it's somehow not clear, that Angerfist made mistake (typed "R" in address line in mail, name "Rizo" popped up and he just tabbed to subject line, thus only letter "r" was left) and all this "scam" is obvious lie, let me explain just few moments why it was not scam in order to scam Rizo, Angerfist should be sure that addressee would get mail. he wasn't. he said to admins that he didn't know if that char would log at all, but he "just tried" in order to scam, he should be sure it was my char (as he said later to admins, he wanted to do most damage to rizo so epics would get to fightclub). he wasn't sure. he said he only knew that clan "syndicato'' in which char was, was Balu's. (this info about syndicato, btw, also was from Axzp as he was helping to search for char) and he didn't care that this char most likely could be Balu's or Axzp's as they also had chars in that clan, and not Tereza's or any other older member's who stopped actively playing two years ago. in order to scam Rizo, Angerfist should simply stay quiet and not send this "i scammed you" mail which would only help Rizo return items. at least Angerfist should have motive, right? wanna hear it? as Angerfist said, he did that because.. ready? - "Rizo would trashtalk latinos!". Rizo the racist! its simply obvious, that nobody scams by sending most expensive items to char he doesn't know who's is and doesn't know if char will log at all to accept mail. also hard to believe that Angerfist, known as "nice guy" on server, been perma hero in Rizo party, suddenly went rampage and committed "epic scam" not by sending items to current war, or at least to char he knew who was, not even rmt-ing such expensive items to invite his gf to Bali, but he "wanted to scam and do most damage" by simply sending epics to a char "who might be/not-be this and might be/not-be that and anyways he just tried". and dont forget, he sent event items also, because all these epics wasnt enough As one of most respected by me personally, admin said, what players say, doesn't matter. only logs matter. in this current case, logs also were checked. nobody logged anything without owner's permission, from suspicious or different IP or w.e. Rizo from his own IP logged his own char, with his own will sent items to Angerfist, as well as Angerfist logged from his own IP on his own char and sent items to other char. but it still was considered as "scam". now, my dear "ordinary" players, who were not that lucky to be "big players", let me share how this precedent can be used and abused from now on 1. If you drop epic/item when dying under mobs during pvp or farm, and item is picked by someone/war and wont return, this is what you do: you will say, that you did it on purpose to scam your leader. so you write ingame mail to your party/clan leader "yo, noob, i'm leaving and cp item is gone". then your pl/cl makes ticket that you did it on purpose to scam him, admins ask you: "did you?", you hit chest with fist and answer "yes, i did! because he said i have chubby belly from all that bear i drink!". and admins will decide it was scam and return dropped item from player who picked it BECAUSE that is literally what Rizo and Angerfist did 2. Good news you can PK anybody endlessly not caring about your PK count, because if you will be killed being PK and drop your items, you know what you do: (copy-paste) you will say, that you did it on purpose to scam your leader. so you write ingame mail to your party/clan leader "yo, noob, i'm leaving and cp item is gone". then your pl/cl makes ticket that you did it on purpose to scam him, admins ask you "did you?", you hit chest with fist and answer "yes, i did! because he said i have a chubby belly from all that beer i drink!". and admins will decide it was scam and return dropped item from player who picked it BECAUSE that is literally what Rizo and Angerfist did 3. How this precedent encourages rmt on server: if you are party/clan leader and want to rmt sell cl/pt items, you send them to 20 lvl char of your trusted friend from your pt/cl, he sends items to buyer. If ever such rmt will be revealed, you will say your pt member scammed you ( you know what to do to "prove" it), and admins will even return your items p.s. what we all lost with this case, is a chance of fair play and the "most damage" was still done - to all players and server reputation.

@DrunkAngel Best drama since Perks die, hehehe, thx for makin my morning news feed better ;D Also, if this true, it shows once again that we have some priveleged players which is sad and shameful. ALSO! BRING BACK @BELOMOR, @Wanali, @Rip, @Nez ITEMZ

this guy deserve his COLs back then .... lets all support his case

I don't get why is it important if it's a scam or not. Admins shouldn't touch such cases at all.

#givebackCOL'stonez

And you will never receive them. This case of yours reminds me of when I opened a ticket in 2019 because of the scam / theft of an AQ3 and initially the staff replied that they did not have the logs (yes they said they did not have the server logs) and after much insistence the logs appeared (miracle) but they said that they could not reverse all the trades that were made with AQ and would not return it, in other words, nobody was banned and I lost the jewel. Would it be the same story if I were a member of another clan / CP? Unfortunately I think not, it seems that some have different rights than others.

any1 who ever played elves or humans knows that males are strongers for these races to ppl claiming otherwise

As female elf... Voted for female... That's it...

nothing to do with duality, for in game shout there should be punishment, as its violation of rules (https://l2classic.club/forum/topic/2164-ingame-chats-rules/), about discord, i always considered discord as grey area, as it was fan made and not official, it never had any rules thats why you barely saw any moderation in there (thats why i still think my ban on discord was unreasonable, no matter what admins say or claim), hate speech crossed line many times, flame thread was not even needed (tho i heard it was added lately), so for discord one except censoring, i dont think punishment should be done (tho i wish they would make discord rules topic somewhere)

So in conclusion. Angerfist went complete chimpanzee mode and now children are fighting for their plastic tools in their sandpit. Ok thanks @Emperior for sharing some entertaining topic with clickbait title. Don't forget guys to support LGBTQ+-IQ rights and all that shit.

MALE FOR LIFE

Female, but better send it to Hellious

I scammed myself (oh wait, a guy who bought it from me scammed me) with wrong price to sell my cols, lost 621 cols by my mistake as Angerfist. Its same story. This is what i got from support. Dear user, Hello!A situation you were facing is not a bug, violation of the server rules or something like that.It's a game moment, we can't interfere with the game process in such cases.Thank you for contacting L2classic.club support. So, I want my cols back too. Expecting mail tomorrow with 621 cols. kk? thx Ticket ID: JOB-862-5251

When I first time read this subject with my mates we thought only 2 options, or covering RMT or sent by mistake. But never scam case, otherwise angerfist would keep itens for himself. Sorry for you Tere. From my clan, no one is surprised. We all knew jewels would be returned. After all I bet AngerFist will be unbanned with 5eu. :))

great speech Biz. next topic pls.

99% of community are people here with a dick in pants. Im pretty sure we are for sexy elf than male one :)())))))))))))))))))))))))))))))